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		<title>Attend this FREE seminar on Storage, SSDs and reduce your Cloud storage costs.</title>
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		<dc:creator>stewart</dc:creator>
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Good afternoon
I have put together a roadshow across EMEA to discuss and learn about
Storage, SSDs and reducing costs using the cloud, Disks and mixing your
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<pre>Good afternoon</p>
<p>I have put together a roadshow across EMEA to discuss and learn about<br />
Storage, SSDs and reducing costs using the cloud, Disks and mixing your<br />
architecture.</p>
<p>I Hope you can join us for lunch or dinner at an informative seminar on<br />
how to think about storage in new ways.</p>
<p>This 3-hour seminar is aimed at technical audiences and consists of two<br />
parts.</p>
<p>The first is a technical session addressing the need for a new storage<br />
paradigm. We will address three use cases:</p>
<p>    * Reducing the cost of storage by incorporating the Cloud Storage,<br />
Disks, SSDs and RAM into your storage hierarchy.<br />
    * Increasing observability and performance of your LAMP stack<br />
application by incorporating SSDs.<br />
    * Providing varying service levels to your customers from a single<br />
storage device.</p>
<p>The second session will provide an in-depth view into Sun's first<br />
offering in the Open Storage space. This session will talk about how to<br />
incorporate SSDs in a Hybrid Storage Pool and how Analytics can enable<br />
fine-grain observability in your storage system.</p>
<p>The sessions are a mix of slides, demos, and open discussion.</p>
<p>Select from the list below to learn more and register.</p>
<p>Brussels - May 18<br />
Zurich - May 19<br />
London - May 19<br />
Amsterdam - May 20</p>
<p>To register and for more information go here<br />
&lt;https://dct.sun.<img src="http://img1.meetupstatic.com/img/clear.gif" width="0" class="brImage" alt="" />com/dct/forms/reg_us<img src="http://img1.meetupstatic.com/img/clear.gif" width="0" class="brImage" alt="" />_2702_407_0.jsp&gt;<br />
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Manager Startup Essentials EMEA</p>
<p>*Sun Microsystems, Inc.*<br />
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		<title>Apply for a £5000 grant to help your business</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faisal Haque</dc:creator>
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Hi,
&#160;
Thanks for those who have taken the time
to provide constructive feedback to the Million Dollar Videos site. Here are
the answers to some of the questions:
&#160;
Figures
&#160;
Yes, the revenue per page is £78,400 from 14
x 16 squares (one page). The goal is to raise $1m from 10 pages worth of videos
(£784,000 or $1m). 
&#160;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for those who have taken the time<br />
to provide constructive feedback to the Million Dollar Videos site. Here are<br />
the answers to some of the questions:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Figures<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, the revenue per page is £78,400 from 14<br />
x 16 squares (one page). The goal is to raise $1m from 10 pages worth of videos<br />
(£784,000 or $1m). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Once a page is full, then the companies<br />
who uploaded a video on that page can apply for the £5000 grant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>50% of<br />
Profits<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>50% of the profits (note profits, not<br />
revenue) will go to UK SME Investments. As the videos on the site will be there<br />
for the next 5 years, the remainder of the funds will be used to cover the<br />
server and IT costs to host the videos for that period, as well as the costs organizing<br />
the allocation of the grants and taxes. These include &#8211; going through<br />
every grant application, inviting finalists to a final interview, choosing the<br />
finalists, room booking costs, costs for the awarding committees etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Grants will be awarded ten times (i.e. after<br />
each page has been filled with videos) which adds to the costs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The commitment is to help at least 50 businesses<br />
in this way as stated on the website, and hopefully more. I am currently in<br />
talks to split a portion of the proceeds to The Prices Trust too, in order to<br />
help with their young enterprise program.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Lottery<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Million Dollar Videos is not a lottery,<br />
does not adhere to any lottery laws in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place<br />
 w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> or abroad, and has no intention<br />
of being a lottery at all. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Grants will be awarded based on the strength<br />
of the application and awarded by an independent committee consisting of those<br />
chosen by the fund at a panel interview. The committee will include: a partner<br />
from a global audit company, a Director from a global bank, a partner from a<br />
law firm and respected angel investor. All have kindly provided their time for<br />
this cause.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Grants are provided as cash contributions<br />
and must be supported by specific purchase list of equipment, marketing spend<br />
etc. to the value of £5000. Cheques will be signed off by two members of the<br />
committee. The grant is not a loan or an equity investment and does not have to<br />
be re-paid in any time period by the company awarded the grant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Contract<br />
Information<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sure &#8211; agree with this comment that<br />
there should be more contact information and will update the website to allow<br />
for this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Large Corporates<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The site is intended for small and medium<br />
sized businesses. If a large corporate puts a video on the site then there&#8217;s<br />
not much I can do about it &#8211; but it is a good point and I will change the<br />
marketing strategy to target SMEs instead. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am already speaking at a number of<br />
events, fairs etc which are solely for SMEs. The next event I am speaking at is<br />
the East Midlands Live event (</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a<br />
href="http://www.embusinesslive.com/seminars.html">http://www.embusinesslive.com/seminars.html</a>)<br />
<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>in May.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#003366" face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003366;font-weight:bold'>Communication<br />
on Website<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agreed that the communication of the<br />
message on the website could be better and I will add more detail on the site<br />
to answer some of these questions in advance which are good questions.</span></font><font<br />
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#003366" face=Arial><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#003366;font-weight:bold'>Genuine<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is a genuine site to help SMEs. I<br />
have my own small business and I&#8217;m sure other small businesses have had<br />
the same problems as me &#8211; in raising money, applying for government funding<br />
etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As this forum is largely for entrepreneurs,<br />
we should have the skills and ability to do something about the current economic<br />
situation in this country and not rely on the government &#8211; I am trying to<br />
do my bit to help. We are all in the same boat and nobody will come and save<br />
our businesses &#8211; hence I believe we need to help each other.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am happy to meet up and discuss /answer<br />
any more questions on this with anyone else at the Thursday coffee meetings or<br />
on a one &#8211; to &#8211;one level &#8211; just drop me a line and I&#8217;ll get<br />
back in touch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for all the feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Faisal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2<br />
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName<br />
w:st="on">[address removed]</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName<br />
w:st="on">[address removed]</st1:PersonName>] <b><span<br />
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Antony Penn<br />
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 29 April 2009 15:35<br />
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">[address removed]</st1:PersonName><br />
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [entrepreneur-1056]<br />
Apply for a £5000 grant to help your business</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3<br />
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sorry everyone but IMHO<br />
this is the worst investment i&#8217;ve seen suggested for a very long time, and I<br />
seriously doubt the integrity of the website.</p>
<p>None of the figures on this add up:</p>
<p>14 x 16 video slots = 224 squares.<br />
224 x £350 per video = £78,400<br />
But you are hoping to raise $1m (should that be £1m?)<br />
You need 2,857 videos to raise 1 million.</p>
<p>You say half a million will go to businesses, yet then state 50 businesses at<br />
£5k each = 250,000</p>
<p>£5,000 will indeed help a lot of businessesm but this is a lottery, not a<br />
grant.<br />
Why pay £350 for a 1 in 200 chance of winning £5,000 ??<br />
This is business suicide.</p>
<p>Small business advertising is crazy and very difficult to get right.<br />
Spend that £350 on MARKETING<br />
Spend that week of effort that WOULD HAVE gone in to editing said video on<br />
driving your business forward instead &#8211; If there&#8217;s one thing small business do<br />
not have enough of it is time. Do not waste it on distractions like this.</p>
<p>Whoever put this site together really didn&#8217;t think it through, or at the very<br />
least has completely mis-communicated it.<br />
Think before you spend your money people!</p>
<p>Rant over.</p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 29/04/2009, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Omar<br />
Miah</span></b> &lt;[address removed]&gt;<br />
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>faisal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#444444" face="Times New Roman"><span<br />
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>like the idea &#8211; hope it works<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#444444" face="Times New Roman"><span<br />
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>can i ask where the £350 goes? who<br />
benefits from this payment?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#444444" face="Times New Roman"><span<br />
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>constructive criticism: i really really<br />
don&#8217;t like it when you can&#8217;t see any real contact information &#8211; like a phone<br />
number and address<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#444444" face="Times New Roman"><span<br />
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>looks very unprofessional<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#444444" face="Times New Roman"><span<br />
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>for all we know, you could be some<br />
indian in banglalore who has already made a small sum from the advertisers you<br />
have already!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#444444'>: )<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:<br />
12.0pt'>On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Geoffrey McCaleb &lt;[address removed]&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>£350 to upload<br />
a video to a milliondollarhomepage clone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I guess<br />
I&#8217;m missing the part how 224 videos x £350 list fee &#8211; 50 grants x £5,000<br />
actually works&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hey, I&#8217;m<br />
not knocking the idea, I just think the whole &quot;giving back&quot; vibe<br />
seems to run counter to what the site looks to be achieving (at least by now<br />
there are more non-corp videos knocking around).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Geoffrey<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Wed,<br />
29 Apr 2009 07:37:56 -0400, Tobias &lt;[address removed]&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;<br />
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3<br />
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Maybe Im missing<br />
something here but how does &quot;the opportunity for small and medium sized<br />
businesses to advertise&quot; = Toshiba, Apple, Cadburys etc.</p>
<p>I like the idea, but if the site becomes a cheap advertising home for large<br />
corporates it&#8217;s not going to fly.&nbsp; The large company videos on your site<br />
are like watching bad commercials on TV. </p>
<p>What is up with that?</p>
<p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: [address removed]<br />
To: [address removed]<br />
Subject: [entrepreneur-1056] Apply for a £5000 grant to help your business<br />
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:09:38 -0400<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>Hi All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>I&#8217;m doing my bit to help kick start the economy and<br />
believe we can do this by supporting the small and medium sized businesses<br />
(SME&#8217;s) which contribute to over 90% of the jobs in this country.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>Hence, I&#8217;ve set up a website called Million Dollar<br />
Videos <a href="http://www.milliondollarvideos.com/" target="_blank">www.milliondollarvideos.com</a>.&nbsp;<br />
The idea is simple &#8211; businesses place a small video advert of their product on<br />
the site to help them generate more sales, for a small fee.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>The goal is to raise $1m of which half of the profits will go<br />
into an independent fund called &#8216;UK SME Investments&#8217;. This will<br />
provide £5000 grants to the most deserving businesses to help with marketing,<br />
developing new products and hopefully increasing sales and employment for this<br />
country.&nbsp; The fund expects to help at least 50 businesses in this way.<br />
Businesses which place an advert are eligible to apply for the grant.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>A number of media companies are running with this story,<br />
including The Guardian, ITN etc. to generate awareness and I will be speaking<br />
at a number of small business events about this too.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>If you have a small or medium sized business, then it would<br />
certainly be worth applying for &#8211; I believe £5000 can make a big difference to<br />
any business.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>Many thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
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I&#39;ve also found syntactical questions on paper are not very useful. After all, when is a developer going to write an entire program outside of an IDE? Syntax documentation is a few clicks away, but an excellent developer likely works with a basket of languages underpinned by competant problem-solving skills.
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<p>Interesting experience Mohammed.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve also found syntactical questions on paper are not very useful. After all, when is a developer going to write an entire program outside of an IDE? Syntax documentation is a few clicks away, but an excellent developer likely works with a basket of languages underpinned by competant problem-solving skills.</p>
<p>A paper test of pseudocode plus general problem-solving abilities is revealing. If a developer struggles with abstract problems then the quality of their practical coding ability is called into question.</p>
<p>Some famous examples from the past here: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/29/technology/brain_teasers.biz2/index.htm">http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/29/technology/brain_teasers.biz2/index.htm</a>.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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<div>Hi all I&#39;ve been watching this thread and I thought I&#39;d give my experience from the other side:</div>
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<div>I recently had 2 interviews of which 1 I got the job and the other I am sure I didn&#39;t (I wasn&#39;t told because I&#39;d already accepted this one).</div>
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<div>For the job I didn&#39;t get (I assume): A new web startup company complete with Guitar Hero in their small office. Interviewed by 3 guys &#8211; founder, tech guy and another. I was asked questions relating  to the job in terms of business and marketing and then given a short paper test by the tech guy. It was very simple but for some reason I froze and couldn&#39;t write a very very simple program nor identify the output from an even simpler programming without looking incompetent. I answered his SQL questions but it seemed like<br />
 he was testing my memory ability rather than by general SQL knowledge (it&#39;s easy to forget the general order of syntax when you&#39;re not working in front of a text editor or a GUI!). For some reason this interview made me feel rather stupid and not very good at what I do.</div>
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<div>For the job I did get: Again a new web startup company complete with funky flooring. I had 2 interviews. First with 2 ladies who were not technical. This was a complete barrel of laughs and I felt comfortable with them and they with me. The second interview was an hour long &quot;discussion&quot; with a developer who was assigned the task of establishing my identity. In both this technical interview and my failed technical interview the interviewer was in their late 20&#39;s with similar backgrounds and speaking styles. However I as a developer felt much more comfortable with this chap and his &quot;discussion&quot; approach. We covered many technical concepts and likes/dislikes. I<br />
 didn&#39;t have to prove I could write code because my past projects already established my competency. The interview culminated in a discussion about spell check implementations and speed issues so it wasn&#39;t as lightweight as you might imagine.</div>
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<div>I&#39;ve experienced many different interviewing styles over the years from being interviewed by a camcorder and an anonymous man to more friendly &quot;chat&quot; type interviews. The differences are stark and ultimately I believe the kind of people that usually get through the net are the one&#39;s that reflect the behaviour and attitudes of that particular interviewer on that day. It all seems a bit pot luck for both the interviewer and interviewee!</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 13:18:07<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#39;s skills?<br /></font><br />
when interviewing engineers and developers i tend to use the following rules of thumb. 
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<div>1. pose questions that show wether somebody is knowledgeable or deductive, knowledgeable people often appear to be very good, but are often not adaptable. you want deductive programmers. </div>
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<div>2. Im more interested not in what people know, but in how they fill in the gaps in their knowledge. a good engineer knows how to use resources, books, internet, open source etc to find a problem solution that they may not know. </div>
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<div>3. Look for generalists, people<br />
 who write code that solves classes of problems, not specific problems. </div>
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<div>4. look for people who show enthusiasm for the application, if they dont get turned on by your application then its just working for money, and they are unlikely to go the extra mile. </div>
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<div>5. dont be too driven by qualifications, most of the really good people i have worked with have been self taught, and motivated to keep current, see 4 above. </div>
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<div>6. look for people who will ask for help when they need it, there is nothing worse than an engineer that grapples with a problem for days when a simple question would clear it up. </div>
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<div>7. ask them to describe the most elegant thing they have seen, and tell you why it was elegant. </div>
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<div>For the reasons above, im not really keen on mechanical testing of skills, you need to just chat to the candidate and get a feel<br />
 for their approach to things. </div>
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<p>Its actually not that hard, aside from there fitting into your overall company culture, which is something you can deduce yourself. What I always do (if I can meet the person face to face) is to give them a pen and a piece of paper, and then get them to write me 3 programs</p>
<p>1. A simple one which asks them to open, red, write etc from/to a file<br />2. Something which asks them to pull info or insert into a database<br />3. Something a little more advanced which asks them to carry out a calculation, i.e count the number of primes between 1-1000 etc etc</p>
<p>The key is the pen and paper, you will be surprised how many coders cannot do it with pen and paper, since they like to<br />
 code, run it, see if it works, then try again and again. If a coder can do it on paper, they will be on a diff level to most you will meet.</p>
<p>Also note, that you do not want to make the questions too difficult, since what you need coding will usually come down to working with a DB, inserting, deleting etc etc.</p>
<p>Also check out </p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers" target="_blank">http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers</a></span></p>
<p>they have segments for each language, and OS, <br />This is MS interview questions, they deal with OS, algos etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://halcyon.usc.edu/%7Ekiran/msqs.html" target="_blank">http://halcyon.usc.edu/~kiran/msqs.html</a></span></p>
<p>Here are a few from google, MS , amazon etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/</a></span></p>
<p>Also note, when stuck between two coders, who are equally as good, get them to <br />
a) Write a paragraph of text explaining what they did last summer on holiday<br />b) Create a 3 slide ppt, showing what they do at work</p>
<p>Why? because whenever you are stuck between two people, the one who can write things down, and present them clearly and coherently and concisely wins </p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 11:55:03<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#39;s skills?<br /></font><br />Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#39;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the<br />
 delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We<br />
 have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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Hi all I&#8217;ve been watching this thread and I thought I&#8217;d give my experience from the other side:

I recently had 2 interviews of which 1 I got the job and the other I am sure I didn&#8217;t (I wasn&#8217;t told because I&#8217;d already accepted this one).

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<div>Hi all I&#8217;ve been watching this thread and I thought I&#8217;d give my experience from the other side:</div>
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<div>I recently had 2 interviews of which 1 I got the job and the other I am sure I didn&#8217;t (I wasn&#8217;t told because I&#8217;d already accepted this one).</div>
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<div>For the job I didn&#8217;t get (I assume): A new web startup company complete with Guitar Hero in their small office. Interviewed by 3 guys &#8211; founder, tech guy and another. I was asked questions relating  to the job in terms of business and marketing and then given a short paper test by the tech guy. It was very simple but for some reason I froze and couldn&#8217;t write a very very simple program nor identify the output from an even simpler programming without looking incompetent. I answered his SQL questions but it seemed like<br />
 he was testing my memory ability rather than by general SQL knowledge (it&#8217;s easy to forget the general order of syntax when you&#8217;re not working in front of a text editor or a GUI!). For some reason this interview made me feel rather stupid and not very good at what I do.</div>
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<div>For the job I did get: Again a new web startup company complete with funky flooring. I had 2 interviews. First with 2 ladies who were not technical. This was a complete barrel of laughs and I felt comfortable with them and they with me. The second interview was an hour long &#8220;discussion&#8221; with a developer who was assigned the task of establishing my identity. In both this technical interview and my failed technical interview the interviewer was in their late 20&#8217;s with similar backgrounds and speaking styles. However I as a developer felt much more comfortable with this chap and his &#8220;discussion&#8221; approach. We covered many technical concepts and likes/dislikes. I<br />
 didn&#8217;t have to prove I could write code because my past projects already established my competency. The interview culminated in a discussion about spell check implementations and speed issues so it wasn&#8217;t as lightweight as you might imagine.</div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve experienced many different interviewing styles over the years from being interviewed by a camcorder and an anonymous man to more friendly &#8220;chat&#8221; type interviews. The differences are stark and ultimately I believe the kind of people that usually get through the net are the one&#8217;s that reflect the behaviour and attitudes of that particular interviewer on that day. It all seems a bit pot luck for both the interviewer and interviewee!</div>
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 Hawkins &lt;[address removed]><br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> [address removed]<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 13:18:07<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#8217;s skills?<br /></font><br />when interviewing engineers and developers i tend to use the following rules of thumb. 
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<div>1. pose questions that show wether somebody is knowledgeable or deductive, knowledgeable people often appear to be very good, but are often not adaptable. you want deductive programmers. </div>
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<div>2. Im more interested not in what people know, but in how they fill in the gaps in their knowledge. a good engineer knows how to use resources, books, internet, open source etc to find a problem solution that they may not know. </div>
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<div>3. Look for generalists, people<br />
 who write code that solves classes of problems, not specific problems. </div>
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<div>4. look for people who show enthusiasm for the application, if they dont get turned on by your application then its just working for money, and they are unlikely to go the extra mile. </div>
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<div>5. dont be too driven by qualifications, most of the really good people i have worked with have been self taught, and motivated to keep current, see 4 above. </div>
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<div>6. look for people who will ask for help when they need it, there is nothing worse than an engineer that grapples with a problem for days when a simple question would clear it up. </div>
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<div>7. ask them to describe the most elegant thing they have seen, and tell you why it was elegant. </div>
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<div>For the reasons above, im not really keen on mechanical testing of skills, you need to just chat to the candidate and get a feel<br />
 for their approach to things. </div>
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<div>On 27 Apr 2009, at 13:00, iqbalgandham wrote:</div>
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<p>Its actually not that hard, aside from there fitting into your overall company culture, which is something you can deduce yourself. What I always do (if I can meet the person face to face) is to give them a pen and a piece of paper, and then get them to write me 3 programs</p>
<p>1. A simple one which asks them to open, red, write etc from/to a file<br />2. Something which asks them to pull info or insert into a database<br />3. Something a little more advanced which asks them to carry out a calculation, i.e count the number of primes between 1-1000 etc etc</p>
<p>The key is the pen and paper, you will be surprised how many coders cannot do it with pen and paper, since they like to<br />
 code, run it, see if it works, then try again and again. If a coder can do it on paper, they will be on a diff level to most you will meet.</p>
<p>Also note, that you do not want to make the questions too difficult, since what you need coding will usually come down to working with a DB, inserting, deleting etc etc.</p>
<p>Also check out </p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers">http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers</a></span></p>
<p>they have segments for each language, and OS, <br />This is MS interview questions, they deal with OS, algos etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://halcyon.usc.edu/%7Ekiran/msqs.html">http://halcyon.usc.edu/~kiran/msqs.html</a></span></p>
<p>Here are a few from google, MS , amazon etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"<br />
 href="http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/">http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/</a></span></p>
<p>Also note, when stuck between two coders, who are equally as good, get them to <br />a) Write a paragraph of text explaining what they did last summer on holiday<br />b) Create a 3 slide ppt, showing what they do at work</p>
<p>Why? because whenever you are stuck between two people, the one who can write things down, and present them clearly and coherently and concisely wins </p>
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<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the<br />
 delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#8216;fit&#8217; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We<br />
 have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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<p>when interviewing engineers and developers i tend to use the following rules of thumb.&nbsp;
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<div>1. pose questions that show wether somebody is&nbsp;knowledgeable&nbsp;or deductive, knowledgeable people often appear to be very good, but are often not&nbsp;adaptable. you want deductive programmers.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>2. Im more interested not in what people know, but in how they fill in the gaps in&nbsp;their&nbsp;knowledge. a good engineer knows how to use resources, books, internet, open source etc to find a problem solution that they may not know.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>3. Look for generalists, people who write code that solves classes of problems, not specific problems.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>4. look for people who show enthusiasm for the application, if they dont get turned on by your application then its just working for money, and they are&nbsp;unlikely&nbsp;to go the extra mile.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>5. dont be too driven by qualifications, most of the really good people i have worked with have been self taught, and motivated to keep current, see 4 above.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>6. look for people who will ask for help when they need it, there is nothing worse than an engineer that grapples with a problem for days when a simple question would clear it up.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>7. ask them to describe the most elegant thing they have seen, and tell you why it was elegant.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>For the reasons above, im not really keen on&nbsp;mechanical&nbsp;testing of skills, you need to just chat to the candidate and get a feel for&nbsp;their&nbsp;approach&nbsp;to things.&nbsp;</div>
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<p>Its actually not that hard, aside from there fitting into your overall company culture, which is something you can deduce yourself. What I always do (if I can meet the person face to face) is to give them a pen and a piece of paper, and then get them to write me 3 programs</p>
<p>1. A simple one which asks them to open, red, write etc from/to a file<br />2. Something which asks them to pull info or insert into a database<br />3. Something a little more advanced which asks them to carry out a calculation, i.e count the number of primes between 1-1000 etc etc</p>
<p>The key is the pen and paper, you will be surprised how many coders cannot do it with pen and paper, since they like to code, run it, see if it works, then try again and again. If a coder can do it on paper, they will be on a diff level to most you will meet.</p>
<p>Also note, that you do not want to make the questions too difficult, since what you need coding will usually come down to working with a DB, inserting, deleting etc etc.</p>
<p>Also check out </p>
<p><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers">http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers</a></span></p>
<p>they have segments for each language, and OS, <br />This is MS interview questions, they deal with OS, algos etc</p>
<p><span><a target="_blank" href="http://halcyon.usc.edu/%7Ekiran/msqs.html">http://halcyon.usc.edu/~kiran/msqs.html</a></span></p>
<p>Here are a few from google, MS , amazon etc</p>
<p><span><a target="_blank" href="http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/">http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/</a></span></p>
<p>Also note, when stuck between two coders, who are equally as good, get them to <br />a) Write a paragraph of text explaining what they did last summer on holiday<br />b) Create a 3 slide ppt, showing what they do at work</p>
<p>Why? because whenever you are stuck between two people, the one who can write things down, and present them clearly and coherently and concisely wins </p>
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<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#8216;fit&#8217; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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<pre>Tom

In my years of running development teams (both internal and outsourced),
I find useful technical attributes, besides coding ability, are that the
candidate has enthusiasm and flexibility.  I have come across perfectly
competent developers who have become cynical about the development
business who soured the atmosphere (and the team).  Enthusiastic guys
often like to explain precisely why, for example, PHP v5.3 is better
than v5.2.8 - and how it might solve a problem or two for you.  Your
candidate should also be able to operate outside a narrow technical
box.  I once came across a developer who could think like a compiler but
was unable to work from a design.  Every small point had to be specified
completely.  He didn't last long...

As has been alluded to elsewhere on the thread, when taking over
outsourced developed code, a code audit is a useful process.  This
needn't take long and can point to areas of weakness (if any) that may
need to be tackled.  Simply relying on the functionality to be correct
does not guarantee decent code or database schemas etc.  It does require
a technically competent person, one who has been at the coal face and
who can spot architectural problems and so on.

Regards
Chris Powell
mindyourstreet.com

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&gt; Hi everyone.
&gt;
&gt; Long time listener, first time caller.
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&gt; I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice...
&gt;
&gt; We're in the business of building and running online communities for
&gt; research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part
&gt; of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.
&gt;
&gt; To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a
&gt; good job at building our product to specification. However, as
&gt; business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce
&gt; new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit
&gt; a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).
&gt;
&gt; We've looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we
&gt; feel could be a good 'fit' to our existing team.
&gt;
&gt; The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually
&gt; code - including their approach to coding. Not having these skills
&gt; internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were
&gt; hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.
&gt;
&gt; In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the
&gt; candidates could make a simple web application/service/<img class="brImage" src="http://img1.meetupstatic.com/img/clear.gif" alt="" width="0" />feature, which
&gt; would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could
&gt; then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their
&gt; abilities.
&gt;
&gt; Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a
&gt; different approach that someone has used successfully?
&gt;
&gt; Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks in advance
&gt;
&gt; Tom
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I suggest you ask your friendly developer to write down 5 difficult
questions for each of those technical areas, along with the answers.
Then set this test to your candidates. If it looks like they&#8217;ve scored
more than 80%, it&#8217;s worth starting an email dialogue. 
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<p>I suggest you ask your friendly developer to write down 5 difficult<br />
questions for each of those technical areas, along with the answers.</p>
<p>Then set this test to your candidates. If it looks like they&#8217;ve scored<br />
more than 80%, it&#8217;s worth starting an email dialogue. </p>
<p>Narrow down via email to 4 or 5, and then do interviews via Skype. That<br />
should narrow you down to 2 or 3 which you could meet up with in person.</p>
<p>Tom Watts wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="mid:452700573.1240830804879.JavaMail.nobody@james2"<br />
 type="cite"><p>We&#8217;re using&#8230;</p>
<p>Redhat<br />
MySQL<br />
Apahe<br />
PHP<br />
Javascript</p>
<p>
Flash (though very lightly)<br />
Wowza (again, not a main focus)<br />
  <br clear="all"><br />
&#8211;<br />
Tom Watts<br />
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
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<hr /><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom<br />
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<div class="h5">Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the business of building and running online communities for<br />
research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part<br />
of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a<br />
good job at building our product to specification. However, as business<br />
ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new<br />
features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a<br />
developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we<br />
feel could be a good &#8216;fit&#8217; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually<br />
code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills<br />
internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were<br />
hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the<br />
candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which<br />
would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could<br />
then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their<br />
abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a<br />
different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Tom<br clear="all"><br />
&#8211;<br />
Tom Watts<br />
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Hi Tom,
I&#39;ve just joined the group (Hi everyone!). I just recently spoke with a recruitment firm who have these types of tests for candidates - http://aquent.co.uk/ We have not used them yet, but they looked to be on the right track with the testing side of things. They even had a booklet with the types of [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hi Tom,
<div>I&#39;ve just joined the group (Hi everyone!). I just recently spoke with a recruitment firm who have these types of tests for candidates - <a href="http://aquent.co.uk/">http://aquent.co.uk/</a> We have not used them yet, but they looked to be on the right track with the testing side of things. They even had a booklet with the types of test they do for each type of skillset. </div>
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<div>Of course, the best advice would be to find a highly skilled/experienced developer to evaluate your candidate, but that depends on how much time you have.</div>
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<div>Good luck with the search!</div>
<div></div>
<div>Quick intro about me</div>
<div>I manage the London office of <a href="http://w3haus.com">w3haus.com</a>, a creative digital agency with offices in Brazil as well as here. Personally, I have created a few small personal projects online, but nothing major and am interested in the whole startup side of things. </div>
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<div>Cheers!</div>
<div>Rodrigo.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Tom Watts <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span> wrote:</p>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#39;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Tom<br clear="all">&#8211;<br />Tom Watts<br />Director</p>
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Hi Tom,I&#39;ve been a developer for 21 year and currently have a team of 5 developers whom I tested and recruited myself. You have a few problems to deal with:
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<p>Hi Tom,<br />I&#39;ve been a developer for 21 year and currently have a team of 5 developers whom I tested and recruited myself. You have a few problems to deal with:</p>
<p>Their coding ability and general problem solving skills can be tested via a company called brainbench. They do on-line tests that cost about £40 each time. I was made to sit the php5 one and it took me about 2.5 hours. It was a very good overall test and I can forward you a copy of my results it you&#39;d like to see what to expect.</p>
<p>I give my candidates an 80-question test, including English comprehension, maths ability, logic solving ability, a variety of LAMP questions and some programming problems. Some of the problems are in LAMP and involve spotting details/problems, others are in a &#39;psuedo language&#39; that is made up and they are given the rules to. You might be able to find examples of such tests online.</p>
<p>I generally test for intelligence and understanding of programming concepts rather than a specific &#39;shopping list&#39; of skills, as different languages and tools can always be learned. In your case you also need someone with very good analytical skills, who can talk with you on a non-technical level and translate your business requirements into a working (and, hugely important, easily maintainable) system.</p>
<p>The other problem is the code that has been developed for you to date. If it has been badly written, then unless your new recruit is allowed to re-build it from scratch, any good technique he has may not be able to be applied. You should get the system you have had developed &#39;examined&#39; by a couple of people to see if they think it is up to scratch. Similarly i&#39;d find another 1 or 2 &#39;friendly&#39; developers to help gauge your potential recruits. Developers (especially less worldly wise ones) have a habit of &#39;slagging off&#39; code written by others.</p>
<p>As a very general rule, a developer that has worked in many different types of companies and different projects (and also with larger development teams) is more likely to have honed a good development methodology compared to one with less work experience.</p>
<p>regards,<br />Antony</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/27 Tom Watts <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span><br />
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<div>Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#39;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Tom<br clear="all">&#8211;<br />Tom Watts<br />Director</p>
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<p>We&#39;re using&#8230;</p>
<p>Redhat<br />MySQL<br />Apahe<br />PHP<br />Javascript</p>
<p>Flash (though very lightly)<br />Wowza (again, not a main focus)<br /><br clear="all">&#8211;<br />Tom Watts<br />Director</p>
<p>w: <a href="http://dubstudios.com">dubstudios.com</a></p>
<p>t: +44 (0) 20 8123 3452<br />m: +44 (0) 7791 163 866<br />skype: tomwatts22</p>
<p>dub I Communities for Insight &amp; Innovation</p>
<p>Youmeus Ltd t/a Dub Studios is registered in England and Wales, Registration No: 6167745 and registered at The Pines, Boars Head, Crowborough, East Sussex. TN6 3HD</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/27 Patrick McCarthy <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span><br />
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Hi Tom,</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Is the language just PHP or are you using<br />
others?</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Regards,</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Patrick McCarthy</span></font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> [address removed]<br />
[mailto:[address removed]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom<br />
Watts<br /><b>Sent:</b> 27 April 2009 11:55<br /><b>To:</b><br />
[address removed]<br /><b>Subject:</b> [entrepreneur-1056] How can we<br />
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<p>Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I<br />
was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#39;re in<br />
the business of building and running online communities for research and<br />
innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is<br />
the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been<br />
working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our<br />
product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to<br />
refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has<br />
become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source<br />
tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of<br />
candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The<br />
one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211;<br />
including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is<br />
difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of<br />
test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour<br />
exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web<br />
application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We have a<br />
friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us<br />
an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If<br />
not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used<br />
successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people<br />
may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Tom<br clear="all">&#8211;<br />Tom<br />
Watts<br />Director</p>
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