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the plugin i sent does all of that!
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Simone &#60;[address removed]&#62; wrote:

Rene, all others who are already helpful

It&#39;s now already published, but in this way, I cannot change it in wordpress admin. It&#39;s via  google.doc into html code etc., too complicated to share with all my
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See the link:
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<p>the plugin i sent does all of that!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Simone <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span> wrote:</p>
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Rene, all others who are already helpful
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<div>It&#39;s now already published, but in this way, I cannot change it in wordpress admin. It&#39;s via  google.doc into html code etc., too complicated to share with all my</div>
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<div>See the link:</div>
<div><a href="http://thenextwomen.com/female-internet-heroes/" target="_blank">http://thenextwomen.com/female-internet-heroes/</a></div>
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The best would be to make it searchable.. But that&#39;s maybe step 2..</div>
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<div>kind regards,</div>
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<div>Op 29-apr-2009, om 18:32 heeft Rene Millman het volgende geschreven:</div>
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<p>Personally, if I was on that database I&#39;m not entirely sure I&#39;d want world+dog to see those details. Are you sure this is a good idea?</p>
<p>Rene<br clear="all"><br />Find out the latest games and gadgets news and review. Visit <a href="http://www.absolutegadget.com/" target="_blank">http://www.absolutegadget.com/</a></p>
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<div>For the wordpress experts:</div>
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<p>I would like to have your advise on the following:
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<div>I have a google-docs document with a large database of people under name, company, function. I want to publish this in my wordpress blog, for everybody to see in a very simple manner and then be able to change and update it in the admin of the wordpress. So no double databases, in excell etc. and then transferring it back and forth to wordpress. Is there a database plugin for this, or something else?</div>
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<div>Looking forward to hearing from the expert!</div>
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<div>kind regards,</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">They are all pretty much as bad as each other. Go for one that you can easily get to from your normal place of work, and hope any nice small business manager you might find doesn&#39;t move!!</p>
<p>I know HSBC and some others will give you a year&#39;s free banking, but check the charges after this.</p>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 29/04/2009, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stony Grunow</b> &lt;[address removed]&gt; wrote:</span><br />
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<div>Hello All</p>
<p>I&#39;m setting up a business bank account for my company, and I haven&#39;t heard great things about banks and their treatment (or lack of) business account customers. </p>
<p>Do people have any suggestions? Also, should my choice be between companies (i.e. HSBC vs. Abbey) or based on other factors, like number of branches, or proximity to my house / office, or does it just come down to getting a good bank manager and hoping he doesn&#39;t move branches / jobs?</p>
<p>If this makes a difference, bank loans are not going to be needed in the near future (though an overdraft never hurts), and our weekly transactions are expected to be low, as we are an IT consulting company.</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
<p>stony<br /><a href="http://citrusconsultants.com" target="_blank">citrusconsultants.com</a><br /><span> </p>
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Rene, all others who are already helpful

It&#8217;s now already published, but in this way, I cannot change it in wordpress admin. It&#8217;s via  google.doc into html code etc., too complicated to share with all my
editors.


See the link:
http://thenextwomen.com/female-internet-heroes/


The best would be to make it searchable.. But that&#8217;s maybe step 2..


kind regards,




Simone Brummelhuis
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<p>Rene, all others who are already helpful
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<div>It&#8217;s now already published, but in this way, I cannot change it in wordpress admin. It&#8217;s via  google.doc into html code etc., too complicated to share with all my</div>
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<div>See the link:</div>
<div><a href="http://thenextwomen.com/female-internet-heroes/">http://thenextwomen.com/female-internet-heroes/</a></div>
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<div>The best would be to make it searchable.. But that&#8217;s maybe step 2..</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Personally, if I was on that database I&#8217;m not entirely sure I&#8217;d want world+dog to see those details. Are you sure this is a good idea?</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">They are all pretty much as bad as each other. Go for one that you can easily get to from your normal place of work, and hope any nice small business manager you might find doesn&#8217;t move!!</p>
<p>I know HSBC and some others will give you a year&#8217;s free banking, but check the charges after this.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m setting up a business bank account for my company, and I haven&#8217;t heard great things about banks and their treatment (or lack of) business account customers. </p>
<p>Do people have any suggestions? Also, should my choice be between companies (i.e. HSBC vs. Abbey) or based on other factors, like number of branches, or proximity to my house / office, or does it just come down to getting a good bank manager and hoping he doesn&#8217;t move branches / jobs?</p>
<p>If this makes a difference, bank loans are not going to be needed in the near future (though an overdraft never hurts), and our weekly transactions are expected to be low, as we are an IT consulting company.</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
<p>stony<br /><a href="http://citrusconsultants.com" target="_blank">citrusconsultants.com</a><br /><span> </p>
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<blockquote type="cite">They are all pretty much as bad as each other. Go for one that you can easily get to from your normal place of work, and hope any nice small business manager you might find doesn&#39;t move!!</p>
<p>I know HSBC and some others will give you a year&#39;s free banking, but check the charges after this.</p>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 29/04/2009, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stony Grunow</b> &lt;[address removed]&gt; wrote:</span><br />
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<div>Hello All</p>
<p>I&#39;m setting up a business bank account for my company, and I haven&#39;t heard great things about banks and their treatment (or lack of) business account customers. </p>
<p>Do people have any suggestions? Also, should my choice be between companies (i.e. HSBC vs. Abbey) or based on other factors, like number of branches, or proximity to my house / office, or does it just come down to getting a good bank manager and hoping he doesn&#39;t move branches / jobs?</p>
<p>If this makes a difference, bank loans are not going to be needed in the near future (though an overdraft never hurts), and our weekly transactions are expected to be low, as we are an IT consulting company.</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
<p>stony<br /><a href="http://citrusconsultants.com" target="_blank">citrusconsultants.com</a><br /><span> </p>
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HI,
We have used HSBC in the past as it has 18 month&#39;s free banking. The charges seem to be low enough for us not to cause too much of a problem.
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<p>HI,</p>
<p>We have used HSBC in the past as it has 18 month&#39;s free banking. The charges seem to be low enough for us not to cause too much of a problem.</p>
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<p>I&#39;m setting up a business bank account for my company, and I haven&#39;t heard great things about banks and their treatment (or lack of) business account customers. </p>
<p>Do people have any suggestions? Also, should my choice be between companies (i.e. HSBC vs. Abbey) or based on other factors, like number of branches, or proximity to my house / office, or does it just come down to getting a good bank manager and hoping he doesn&#39;t move branches / jobs?</p>
<p>If this makes a difference, bank loans are not going to be needed in the near future (though an overdraft never hurts), and our weekly transactions are expected to be low, as we are an IT consulting company.</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
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I can see you've decided not to be burned more times then 
Maybe one of the problems you face is because you specify the technology
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<pre>John,
I can see you've decided not to be burned more times then <img src='http://mashinteractive.com/opencoffee/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
Maybe one of the problems you face is because you specify the technology
to use up front. Of course if you already have an existing system, this
may make sense. To get to use the real hackers, the best developers
basically, you should let them decide the technology (except if they
suggest .net of course, which is a sign they're not really hackers
anyway :-b ). Although lots of great systems has been build using PHP up
though the years, a lot of the best developers has become "fed up" with
it, especially as so many wannabe developers that are only in it for the
money (the type of people that normally only use proprietary
technologies) has flooded the marketplace, making it difficult for
entrepreneurs like yourself to spot the really good ones.
When I recruit sub contractors I use my own experience as a developer
and software architect for more than a decade to evaluate whether
they're any good. It's still not a fool proof method, but the chances
for a hacker to find another hacker will always be much higher than a
non-hacker finding one - it takes one to know one.
(OK, I admit that doesn't help you much - you don't have a hacker, but
you need one to get one...)
As mentioned in an earlier thread, you want a hacker because they a
really good one is generally 10x more productive than an average one.
You might have to pay more, but you certainly get more as well. But be
careful, you can't just use the price as a guide to how good they are.
I've had absolutely amazing developers charging average rates and I've
seen completely useless ones charge sky-high rates. YMMV, basically.
I can't recommend myself, because I stopped using PHP ages ago, and I am
mostly involved on a higher level, managing the process, designing
complex database structures and making sure everyone understand each
other. Also, most of the devs I normally work with are overseas, and you
wanted UK based ones. I have to say most of my clients also prefer UK
based people, but given the choice between an average developer here and
a real hacker overseas, the choice is easy.
Just my 2¢, hopefully you can extract some useful information out of it <img src='http://mashinteractive.com/opencoffee/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
Ronny.

For the record:
hacker = *really* good software developer, who doesn't have to have
prior knowledge about something in order to achieve something useful in
a minimum amount of time - they'll just do it, learn as they go along
cracker = bad hacker (the ones that hack CIA, etc)

a cracker is usually also a hacker but a hacker is not necessarily (or
rarely) a cracker.

John Hamlen wrote:
&gt; Dear Fellow Entrepreneurs,
&gt;
&gt; Does anyone have a developer/company they are dying to recommend with expertise described in the subject line?
&gt;
&gt; I have a project that won't be a simple, hack-some-existing-c<img class="brImage" src="http://img1.meetupstatic.com/img/clear.gif" alt="" width="0" />ode type affair. It will include elements such as interfacing to an SMS gateway.
&gt;
&gt; I've got my fingers burned a couple of times going through Elance, so I'd much rather rely on a personal recommendation than Elance feedback and uploaded examples of their work.
&gt;
&gt; Any recommendations much appreciated! UK based guys/girls preferred.
&gt;
&gt; Many thanks in advance,
&gt; John
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In my years of running development teams (both internal and outsourced),
I find useful technical attributes, besides coding ability, are that the
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<pre>Tom

In my years of running development teams (both internal and outsourced),
I find useful technical attributes, besides coding ability, are that the
candidate has enthusiasm and flexibility.  I have come across perfectly
competent developers who have become cynical about the development
business who soured the atmosphere (and the team).  Enthusiastic guys
often like to explain precisely why, for example, PHP v5.3 is better
than v5.2.8 - and how it might solve a problem or two for you.  Your
candidate should also be able to operate outside a narrow technical
box.  I once came across a developer who could think like a compiler but
was unable to work from a design.  Every small point had to be specified
completely.  He didn't last long...

As has been alluded to elsewhere on the thread, when taking over
outsourced developed code, a code audit is a useful process.  This
needn't take long and can point to areas of weakness (if any) that may
need to be tackled.  Simply relying on the functionality to be correct
does not guarantee decent code or database schemas etc.  It does require
a technically competent person, one who has been at the coal face and
who can spot architectural problems and so on.

Regards
Chris Powell
mindyourstreet.com

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&gt; Hi everyone.
&gt;
&gt; Long time listener, first time caller.
&gt;
&gt; I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice...
&gt;
&gt; We're in the business of building and running online communities for
&gt; research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part
&gt; of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.
&gt;
&gt; To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a
&gt; good job at building our product to specification. However, as
&gt; business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce
&gt; new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit
&gt; a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).
&gt;
&gt; We've looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we
&gt; feel could be a good 'fit' to our existing team.
&gt;
&gt; The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually
&gt; code - including their approach to coding. Not having these skills
&gt; internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were
&gt; hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.
&gt;
&gt; In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the
&gt; candidates could make a simple web application/service/<img class="brImage" src="http://img1.meetupstatic.com/img/clear.gif" alt="" width="0" />feature, which
&gt; would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could
&gt; then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their
&gt; abilities.
&gt;
&gt; Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a
&gt; different approach that someone has used successfully?
&gt;
&gt; Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.
&gt;
&gt; Thanks in advance
&gt;
&gt; Tom
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&gt; Director
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I suggest you ask your friendly developer to write down 5 difficult
questions for each of those technical areas, along with the answers.
Then set this test to your candidates. If it looks like they&#8217;ve scored
more than 80%, it&#8217;s worth starting an email dialogue. 
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<p>I suggest you ask your friendly developer to write down 5 difficult<br />
questions for each of those technical areas, along with the answers.</p>
<p>Then set this test to your candidates. If it looks like they&#8217;ve scored<br />
more than 80%, it&#8217;s worth starting an email dialogue. </p>
<p>Narrow down via email to 4 or 5, and then do interviews via Skype. That<br />
should narrow you down to 2 or 3 which you could meet up with in person.</p>
<p>Tom Watts wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="mid:452700573.1240830804879.JavaMail.nobody@james2"<br />
 type="cite"><p>We&#8217;re using&#8230;</p>
<p>Redhat<br />
MySQL<br />
Apahe<br />
PHP<br />
Javascript</p>
<p>
Flash (though very lightly)<br />
Wowza (again, not a main focus)<br />
  <br clear="all"><br />
&#8211;<br />
Tom Watts<br />
Director</p>
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t: +44 (0) 20 8123 3452<br />
m: +44 (0) 7791 163 866<br />
skype: tomwatts22</p>
<p>dub I Communities for Insight &amp; Innovation</p>
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Registration No: 6167745 and registered at The Pines, Boars Head,<br />
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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/27 Patrick McCarthy <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span></p>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"<br />
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span>Hi Tom,</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span>Is the language just PHP or are you using others?</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span>Regards,</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span>Patrick McCarthy</span></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"<br />
 size="2"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://UK2.NET"<br />
 target="_blank">UK2.NET</a></span></font></div>
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<hr /><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom<br />
Watts<br />
    <b>Sent:</b> 27 April 2009 11:55<br />
    <b>To:</b> [address removed]<br />
    <b>Subject:</b> [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#8217;s<br />
skills?<br />
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<div class="h5">Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the business of building and running online communities for<br />
research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part<br />
of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a<br />
good job at building our product to specification. However, as business<br />
ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new<br />
features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a<br />
developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we<br />
feel could be a good &#8216;fit&#8217; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually<br />
code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills<br />
internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were<br />
hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the<br />
candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which<br />
would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could<br />
then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their<br />
abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a<br />
different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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Hi Tom,I&#39;ve been a developer for 21 year and currently have a team of 5 developers whom I tested and recruited myself. You have a few problems to deal with:
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<p>Hi Tom,<br />I&#39;ve been a developer for 21 year and currently have a team of 5 developers whom I tested and recruited myself. You have a few problems to deal with:</p>
<p>Their coding ability and general problem solving skills can be tested via a company called brainbench. They do on-line tests that cost about £40 each time. I was made to sit the php5 one and it took me about 2.5 hours. It was a very good overall test and I can forward you a copy of my results it you&#39;d like to see what to expect.</p>
<p>I give my candidates an 80-question test, including English comprehension, maths ability, logic solving ability, a variety of LAMP questions and some programming problems. Some of the problems are in LAMP and involve spotting details/problems, others are in a &#39;psuedo language&#39; that is made up and they are given the rules to. You might be able to find examples of such tests online.</p>
<p>I generally test for intelligence and understanding of programming concepts rather than a specific &#39;shopping list&#39; of skills, as different languages and tools can always be learned. In your case you also need someone with very good analytical skills, who can talk with you on a non-technical level and translate your business requirements into a working (and, hugely important, easily maintainable) system.</p>
<p>The other problem is the code that has been developed for you to date. If it has been badly written, then unless your new recruit is allowed to re-build it from scratch, any good technique he has may not be able to be applied. You should get the system you have had developed &#39;examined&#39; by a couple of people to see if they think it is up to scratch. Similarly i&#39;d find another 1 or 2 &#39;friendly&#39; developers to help gauge your potential recruits. Developers (especially less worldly wise ones) have a habit of &#39;slagging off&#39; code written by others.</p>
<p>As a very general rule, a developer that has worked in many different types of companies and different projects (and also with larger development teams) is more likely to have honed a good development methodology compared to one with less work experience.</p>
<p>regards,<br />Antony</p>
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<div>Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#39;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Tom<br clear="all">&#8211;<br />Tom Watts<br />Director</p>
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<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I<br />
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<p>We&#39;re in<br />
the business of building and running online communities for research and<br />
innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is<br />
the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been<br />
working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our<br />
product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to<br />
refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has<br />
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tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of<br />
candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
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one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211;<br />
including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is<br />
difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of<br />
test that we could give them.</p>
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an idea of their abilities.</p>
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not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used<br />
successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people<br />
may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> [address removed]<br />
[mailto:[address removed]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tom<br />
Watts<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 April 2009 11:55<BR><B>To:</B><br />
[address removed]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [entrepreneur-1056] How can we<br />
test a developer&#8217;s skills?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV></DIV>Hi everyone.<BR><BR>Long time listener, first time caller.<BR><BR>I<br />
was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;<BR><BR>We&#8217;re in<br />
the business of building and running online communities for research and<br />
innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is<br />
the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.<BR><BR>To date, we have been<br />
working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our<br />
product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to<br />
refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has<br />
become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source<br />
tools (LAMP).<BR><BR>We&#8217;ve looked around and have a good final list of<br />
candidates, who we feel could be a good &#8216;fit&#8217; to our existing team.<BR><BR>The<br />
one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211;<br />
including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is<br />
difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of<br />
test that we could give them.<BR><BR>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour<br />
exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web<br />
application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We have a<br />
friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us<br />
an idea of their abilities.<BR><BR>Is there such a test that people know of? If<br />
not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used<br />
successfully?<BR><BR>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people<br />
may have.<BR><BR>Thanks in advance<BR><BR>Tom<BR clear=all>&#8211;<BR>Tom<br />
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