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It may be interesting to have a chat maybe there are things we
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From: [address removed]
[mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Paul Dowling
Sent: 04 May 2009 11:39
To: [address removed]
Subject: [entrepreneur-1056] Will bootstrapping, crowdsourcing and
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'>It may be interesting to have a chat maybe there are things we<br />
could do together?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:[address removed]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Dowling<br />
<b>Sent:</b> 04 May 2009 11:39<br />
<b>To:</b> [address removed]<br />
<b>Subject:</b> [entrepreneur-1056] Will bootstrapping, crowdsourcing and<br />
crowdfunding be the future for techmedia start-ups?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<h1 style='background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:<br />
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Will bootstrapping, crowdsourcing and<br />
crowdfunding be the future for techmedia start-ups?</span><o:p></o:p></h1>
<p class=q-details style='background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-family:<br />
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It seems to me that technology and media<br />
start-ups have always found it difficult to find adequate start-up funding even<br />
in the good times. Now it is even more difficult. However, as founder and CEO<br />
of <a href="http://www.dreamstake.ning.com/">www.dreamstake.ning.com</a> it<br />
occurs to me that the environment is becoming more conducive to a new more self<br />
contained business model with less reliance on external sources of funding. <br />
Firstly, the bootstrapping of technology solutions has become a real<br />
possibility. The entry point for many technologies is extremely low, sometimes<br />
free of cost. Providers such as Ning, Google and Huddle offer a &#8216;freemium&#8217;<br />
model that makes it extremely easy to launch &#8216;beta&#8217; services at minimal cost.<br />
Open source also facilitates this process. <br />
Next, there are many excellent individuals available to offer their services at<br />
good rates or even to barter services. The internet allows us to access this<br />
talent pool and consider the &#8216;crowdsourcing&#8217; of projects as a real option. We<br />
are currently building this model on DreamStake and will announce our approach<br />
very shortly. <br />
Finally, crowdfunding becomes a distinct possibility. In this model a community<br />
such as DreamStake elects to fund certain projects through the membership<br />
voting for the best. <br />
I truly believe that we can change the model for launching ventures. We need to<br />
build up critical mass and put in place the structures to support this approach.<br />
It is all happening as we speak.and I appreciate everyones support and patience<br />
in making it a success. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=q-details style='background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-family:<br />
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If you are not already a member please join<br />
on <a href="http://www.dreamstake.ning.com/">www.dreamstake.ning.com</a>.<br />
&nbsp;We are having an event tomorrow evening which will be a quick way to find<br />
out more about our plans.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=q-details style='background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-family:<br />
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=q-details style='background:white'><span lang=EN style='font-family:<br />
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Paul Dowling</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Hi Paul,Looking forward to this event. Though there has been angel investors and startup incubation initiatives, its interesting to see your &#39;different&#39; initiatives.
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<p><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">Hi Paul,</span><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">Looking forward to this event. Though there has been angel investors and startup incubation initiatives, its interesting to see your &#39;different&#39; initiatives.</p>
<p>-Santosh<br /></span>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Paul Dowling <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span> wrote:</p>
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<h1 style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">Will<br />
bootstrapping, crowdsourcing and crowdfunding be the future for techmedia<br />
start-ups?</span></font></b></h1>
<p style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">It<br />
seems to me that technology and media start-ups have always found it difficult<br />
to find adequate start-up funding even in the good times. Now it is even more<br />
difficult. However, as founder and CEO of <a href="http://www.dreamstake.ning.com/" target="_blank">www.dreamstake.ning.com</a> it occurs to<br />
me that the environment is becoming more conducive to a new more self contained<br />
business model with less reliance on external sources of funding. <br />
Firstly, the bootstrapping of technology solutions has become a real<br />
possibility. The entry point for many technologies is extremely low, sometimes<br />
free of cost. Providers such as Ning, Google and Huddle offer a &#39;freemium&#39;<br />
model that makes it extremely easy to launch &#39;beta&#39; services at minimal cost.<br />
Open source also facilitates this process. <br />
Next, there are many excellent individuals available to offer their services at<br />
good rates or even to barter services. The internet allows us to access this<br />
talent pool and consider the &#39;crowdsourcing&#39; of projects as a real option. We<br />
are currently building this model on DreamStake and will announce our approach<br />
very shortly. <br />
Finally, crowdfunding becomes a distinct possibility. In this model a community<br />
such as DreamStake elects to fund certain projects through the membership<br />
voting for the best. <br />
I truly believe that we can change the model for launching ventures. We need to<br />
build up critical mass and put in place the structures to support this<br />
approach. It is all happening as we speak.and I appreciate everyones support<br />
and patience in making it a success. </span></font></p>
<p style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">If<br />
you are not already a member please join on <a href="http://www.dreamstake.ning.com/" target="_blank">www.dreamstake.ning.com</a>.  We are<br />
having an event tomorrow evening which will be a quick way to find out more<br />
about our plans.</span></font></p>
<p style="background: white none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;" lang="EN">Best<br />
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Will
bootstrapping, crowdsourcing and crowdfunding be the future for techmedia
start-ups?
It
seems to me that technology and media start-ups have always found it difficult
to find adequate start-up funding even in the good times. Now it is even more
difficult. However, as founder and CEO of www.dreamstake.ning.com it occurs to
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<h1 style='background:white'><b><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span<br />
lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Will<br />
bootstrapping, crowdsourcing and crowdfunding be the future for techmedia<br />
start-ups?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h1>
<p class=q-details style='background:white'><font size=3 color=black<br />
face=Arial><span lang=EN style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It<br />
seems to me that technology and media start-ups have always found it difficult<br />
to find adequate start-up funding even in the good times. Now it is even more<br />
difficult. However, as founder and CEO of <a<br />
href="http://www.dreamstake.ning.com/">www.dreamstake.ning.com</a> it occurs to<br />
me that the environment is becoming more conducive to a new more self contained<br />
business model with less reliance on external sources of funding. <br />
Firstly, the bootstrapping of technology solutions has become a real<br />
possibility. The entry point for many technologies is extremely low, sometimes<br />
free of cost. Providers such as Ning, Google and Huddle offer a &#8216;freemium&#8217;<br />
model that makes it extremely easy to launch &#8216;beta&#8217; services at minimal cost.<br />
Open source also facilitates this process. <br />
Next, there are many excellent individuals available to offer their services at<br />
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talent pool and consider the &#8216;crowdsourcing&#8217; of projects as a real option. We<br />
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very shortly. <br />
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voting for the best. <br />
I truly believe that we can change the model for launching ventures. We need to<br />
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<p>&gt; From: [address removed]<br />&gt; To: [address removed]<br />&gt; Subject: RE: [entrepreneur-1056] looking for a friends and family convertible loan doc<br />&gt; Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:16:34 -0400<br />&gt; <br />&gt; Have you tried Docstoc? I would also like to get such document as template<br />&gt; as well <br />&gt; <br />&gt; &#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />&gt; From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On<br />&gt; Behalf Of Farhan<br />&gt; Sent: 29 April 2009 09:19<br />&gt; To: [address removed]<br />&gt; Subject: [entrepreneur-1056] looking for a friends and family convertible<br />&gt; loan doc<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Hi everyone,<br />&gt; <br />&gt; We&#8217;re bootstrapping a start up in the online ad space, myself and a co<br />&gt; founder have put in a couple thousand pounds towards the development so far<br />&gt; and have some friends and families interested in helping us out with some<br />&gt; funding.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; We&#8217;d like to set up a convertible loan that converts to equity at a discount<br />&gt; depending on further investment, but all the documentation around this is<br />&gt; pretty long winded.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; Does anyone have a simple template for a convertible loan document?<br />&gt; <br />&gt; Thanks,<br />&gt; <br />&gt; Farhan<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; &#8211;<br />&gt; Please Note: If you hit &#8220;REPLY&#8221;, your message will be sent to everyone on<br />&gt; this mailing list ([address removed])<br />&gt; http://www.meetup.com/opencoffee/<br />&gt; This message was sent by Farhan ([address removed]) from London OpenCoffee<br />&gt; Meetup.<br />&gt; To learn more about Farhan, visit his/her member profile:<br />&gt; http://www.meetup.com/opencoffee/members/6986270/<br />&gt; To unsubscribe or to update your mailing list settings, click here:<br />&gt; http://www.meetup.com/account/comm/<br />&gt; Meetup Support: [address removed]<br />&gt; 632 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 USA<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; &#8211;<br />&gt; Please Note: If you hit &#8220;REPLY&#8221;, your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list ([address removed])<br />&gt; http://www.meetup.com/opencoffee/<br />&gt; This message was sent by Rayyan ([address removed]) from London OpenCoffee Meetup.<br />&gt; To learn more about Rayyan, visit his/her member profile: http://www.meetup.com/opencoffee/members/8768283/<br />&gt; To unsubscribe or to update your mailing list settings, click here: http://www.meetup.com/account/comm/<br />&gt; Meetup Support: [address removed]<br />&gt; 632 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 USA<br />&gt; </p>
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Have you tried Docstoc? I would also like to get such document as template
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as well </p>
<p>-----Original Message-----<br />
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On<br />
Behalf Of Farhan<br />
Sent: 29 April 2009 09:19<br />
To: [address removed]<br />
Subject: [entrepreneur-1056] looking for a friends and family convertible<br />
loan doc</p>
<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>We're bootstrapping a start up in the online ad space, myself and a co<br />
founder have put in a couple thousand pounds towards the development so far<br />
and have some friends and families interested in helping us out with some<br />
funding.</p>
<p>We'd like to set up a convertible loan that converts to equity at a discount<br />
depending on further investment, but all the documentation around this is<br />
pretty long winded.</p>
<p>Does anyone have a simple template for a convertible loan document?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Farhan</p>
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Hi everyone,</p>
<p>We're bootstrapping a start up in the online ad space, myself and a co founder have put in a couple thousand pounds towards the development so far and have some friends and families interested in helping us out with some funding.</p>
<p>We'd like to set up a convertible loan that converts to equity at a discount depending on further investment, but all the documentation around this is pretty long winded.</p>
<p>Does anyone have a simple template for a convertible loan document?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Farhan
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'>A few weeks ago Tim put out a request for suggestions on where<br />
to find icons on the web.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'>There were some really useful responses. Rather than letting<br />
this stuff disappear into the ether and forcing us all to wrack our brain and<br />
re-write our tips the next time this question is asked (no doubt in 6 months<br />
time!) I decided to put the recommendations in a list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://bitly.com/snagsta_opencoffee_icons">http://bitly.com/snagsta_opencoffee_icons</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'>Admittedly, I am the co-founder of the site the list is on. But<br />
I think the usefulness of the list outweighs the self-promotion that<br />
occasionally generates a series of &#8216;vitriolic outbursts&#8217; followed<br />
by &#8216;take me off this list&#8217; followed by &#8216;you&#8217;re an idiot<br />
&#8211; you subscribed yourself&#8217; emails </span><span style='font-size:<br />
10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:<br />
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color:#1F497D'>Phil</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'>PS: if I</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
color:#1F497D'> missed any off the list please fire them over and i&#8217;ll<br />
update the list</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";<br />
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi<br />
&nbsp;<br />
I would be grateful if someone could direct me to where I can get either<br />
off-the-shelf or bespoke vector&nbsp;icons created for use on my website.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
Types of actual icon required is likely to be wide ranging, such as champagne<br />
bottle, traffic lights, airplane, football etc</p>
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Interesting experience Mohammed.
I&#39;ve also found syntactical questions on paper are not very useful. After all, when is a developer going to write an entire program outside of an IDE? Syntax documentation is a few clicks away, but an excellent developer likely works with a basket of languages underpinned by competant problem-solving skills.
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<p>Interesting experience Mohammed.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve also found syntactical questions on paper are not very useful. After all, when is a developer going to write an entire program outside of an IDE? Syntax documentation is a few clicks away, but an excellent developer likely works with a basket of languages underpinned by competant problem-solving skills.</p>
<p>A paper test of pseudocode plus general problem-solving abilities is revealing. If a developer struggles with abstract problems then the quality of their practical coding ability is called into question.</p>
<p>Some famous examples from the past here: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/29/technology/brain_teasers.biz2/index.htm">http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/29/technology/brain_teasers.biz2/index.htm</a>.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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<div>Hi all I&#39;ve been watching this thread and I thought I&#39;d give my experience from the other side:</div>
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<div>I recently had 2 interviews of which 1 I got the job and the other I am sure I didn&#39;t (I wasn&#39;t told because I&#39;d already accepted this one).</div>
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<div>For the job I didn&#39;t get (I assume): A new web startup company complete with Guitar Hero in their small office. Interviewed by 3 guys &#8211; founder, tech guy and another. I was asked questions relating  to the job in terms of business and marketing and then given a short paper test by the tech guy. It was very simple but for some reason I froze and couldn&#39;t write a very very simple program nor identify the output from an even simpler programming without looking incompetent. I answered his SQL questions but it seemed like<br />
 he was testing my memory ability rather than by general SQL knowledge (it&#39;s easy to forget the general order of syntax when you&#39;re not working in front of a text editor or a GUI!). For some reason this interview made me feel rather stupid and not very good at what I do.</div>
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<div>For the job I did get: Again a new web startup company complete with funky flooring. I had 2 interviews. First with 2 ladies who were not technical. This was a complete barrel of laughs and I felt comfortable with them and they with me. The second interview was an hour long &quot;discussion&quot; with a developer who was assigned the task of establishing my identity. In both this technical interview and my failed technical interview the interviewer was in their late 20&#39;s with similar backgrounds and speaking styles. However I as a developer felt much more comfortable with this chap and his &quot;discussion&quot; approach. We covered many technical concepts and likes/dislikes. I<br />
 didn&#39;t have to prove I could write code because my past projects already established my competency. The interview culminated in a discussion about spell check implementations and speed issues so it wasn&#39;t as lightweight as you might imagine.</div>
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<div>I&#39;ve experienced many different interviewing styles over the years from being interviewed by a camcorder and an anonymous man to more friendly &quot;chat&quot; type interviews. The differences are stark and ultimately I believe the kind of people that usually get through the net are the one&#39;s that reflect the behaviour and attitudes of that particular interviewer on that day. It all seems a bit pot luck for both the interviewer and interviewee!</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 13:18:07<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#39;s skills?<br /></font><br />
when interviewing engineers and developers i tend to use the following rules of thumb. 
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<div>1. pose questions that show wether somebody is knowledgeable or deductive, knowledgeable people often appear to be very good, but are often not adaptable. you want deductive programmers. </div>
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<div>2. Im more interested not in what people know, but in how they fill in the gaps in their knowledge. a good engineer knows how to use resources, books, internet, open source etc to find a problem solution that they may not know. </div>
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<div>3. Look for generalists, people<br />
 who write code that solves classes of problems, not specific problems. </div>
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<div>4. look for people who show enthusiasm for the application, if they dont get turned on by your application then its just working for money, and they are unlikely to go the extra mile. </div>
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<div>5. dont be too driven by qualifications, most of the really good people i have worked with have been self taught, and motivated to keep current, see 4 above. </div>
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<div>6. look for people who will ask for help when they need it, there is nothing worse than an engineer that grapples with a problem for days when a simple question would clear it up. </div>
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<div>7. ask them to describe the most elegant thing they have seen, and tell you why it was elegant. </div>
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<div>For the reasons above, im not really keen on mechanical testing of skills, you need to just chat to the candidate and get a feel<br />
 for their approach to things. </div>
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<p>Its actually not that hard, aside from there fitting into your overall company culture, which is something you can deduce yourself. What I always do (if I can meet the person face to face) is to give them a pen and a piece of paper, and then get them to write me 3 programs</p>
<p>1. A simple one which asks them to open, red, write etc from/to a file<br />2. Something which asks them to pull info or insert into a database<br />3. Something a little more advanced which asks them to carry out a calculation, i.e count the number of primes between 1-1000 etc etc</p>
<p>The key is the pen and paper, you will be surprised how many coders cannot do it with pen and paper, since they like to<br />
 code, run it, see if it works, then try again and again. If a coder can do it on paper, they will be on a diff level to most you will meet.</p>
<p>Also note, that you do not want to make the questions too difficult, since what you need coding will usually come down to working with a DB, inserting, deleting etc etc.</p>
<p>Also check out </p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers" target="_blank">http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers</a></span></p>
<p>they have segments for each language, and OS, <br />This is MS interview questions, they deal with OS, algos etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://halcyon.usc.edu/%7Ekiran/msqs.html" target="_blank">http://halcyon.usc.edu/~kiran/msqs.html</a></span></p>
<p>Here are a few from google, MS , amazon etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/</a></span></p>
<p>Also note, when stuck between two coders, who are equally as good, get them to <br />
a) Write a paragraph of text explaining what they did last summer on holiday<br />b) Create a 3 slide ppt, showing what they do at work</p>
<p>Why? because whenever you are stuck between two people, the one who can write things down, and present them clearly and coherently and concisely wins </p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 11:55:03<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#39;s skills?<br /></font><br />Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#39;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the<br />
 delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#39;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#39;fit&#39; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We<br />
 have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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Hi all I&#8217;ve been watching this thread and I thought I&#8217;d give my experience from the other side:

I recently had 2 interviews of which 1 I got the job and the other I am sure I didn&#8217;t (I wasn&#8217;t told because I&#8217;d already accepted this one).

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<div>Hi all I&#8217;ve been watching this thread and I thought I&#8217;d give my experience from the other side:</div>
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<div>I recently had 2 interviews of which 1 I got the job and the other I am sure I didn&#8217;t (I wasn&#8217;t told because I&#8217;d already accepted this one).</div>
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<div>For the job I didn&#8217;t get (I assume): A new web startup company complete with Guitar Hero in their small office. Interviewed by 3 guys &#8211; founder, tech guy and another. I was asked questions relating  to the job in terms of business and marketing and then given a short paper test by the tech guy. It was very simple but for some reason I froze and couldn&#8217;t write a very very simple program nor identify the output from an even simpler programming without looking incompetent. I answered his SQL questions but it seemed like<br />
 he was testing my memory ability rather than by general SQL knowledge (it&#8217;s easy to forget the general order of syntax when you&#8217;re not working in front of a text editor or a GUI!). For some reason this interview made me feel rather stupid and not very good at what I do.</div>
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<div>For the job I did get: Again a new web startup company complete with funky flooring. I had 2 interviews. First with 2 ladies who were not technical. This was a complete barrel of laughs and I felt comfortable with them and they with me. The second interview was an hour long &#8220;discussion&#8221; with a developer who was assigned the task of establishing my identity. In both this technical interview and my failed technical interview the interviewer was in their late 20&#8217;s with similar backgrounds and speaking styles. However I as a developer felt much more comfortable with this chap and his &#8220;discussion&#8221; approach. We covered many technical concepts and likes/dislikes. I<br />
 didn&#8217;t have to prove I could write code because my past projects already established my competency. The interview culminated in a discussion about spell check implementations and speed issues so it wasn&#8217;t as lightweight as you might imagine.</div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve experienced many different interviewing styles over the years from being interviewed by a camcorder and an anonymous man to more friendly &#8220;chat&#8221; type interviews. The differences are stark and ultimately I believe the kind of people that usually get through the net are the one&#8217;s that reflect the behaviour and attitudes of that particular interviewer on that day. It all seems a bit pot luck for both the interviewer and interviewee!</div>
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 Hawkins &lt;[address removed]><br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> [address removed]<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 13:18:07<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#8217;s skills?<br /></font><br />when interviewing engineers and developers i tend to use the following rules of thumb. 
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<div>1. pose questions that show wether somebody is knowledgeable or deductive, knowledgeable people often appear to be very good, but are often not adaptable. you want deductive programmers. </div>
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<div>2. Im more interested not in what people know, but in how they fill in the gaps in their knowledge. a good engineer knows how to use resources, books, internet, open source etc to find a problem solution that they may not know. </div>
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<div>3. Look for generalists, people<br />
 who write code that solves classes of problems, not specific problems. </div>
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<div>4. look for people who show enthusiasm for the application, if they dont get turned on by your application then its just working for money, and they are unlikely to go the extra mile. </div>
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<div>5. dont be too driven by qualifications, most of the really good people i have worked with have been self taught, and motivated to keep current, see 4 above. </div>
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<div>6. look for people who will ask for help when they need it, there is nothing worse than an engineer that grapples with a problem for days when a simple question would clear it up. </div>
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<div>7. ask them to describe the most elegant thing they have seen, and tell you why it was elegant. </div>
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<div>For the reasons above, im not really keen on mechanical testing of skills, you need to just chat to the candidate and get a feel<br />
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<div>On 27 Apr 2009, at 13:00, iqbalgandham wrote:</div>
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<p>Its actually not that hard, aside from there fitting into your overall company culture, which is something you can deduce yourself. What I always do (if I can meet the person face to face) is to give them a pen and a piece of paper, and then get them to write me 3 programs</p>
<p>1. A simple one which asks them to open, red, write etc from/to a file<br />2. Something which asks them to pull info or insert into a database<br />3. Something a little more advanced which asks them to carry out a calculation, i.e count the number of primes between 1-1000 etc etc</p>
<p>The key is the pen and paper, you will be surprised how many coders cannot do it with pen and paper, since they like to<br />
 code, run it, see if it works, then try again and again. If a coder can do it on paper, they will be on a diff level to most you will meet.</p>
<p>Also note, that you do not want to make the questions too difficult, since what you need coding will usually come down to working with a DB, inserting, deleting etc etc.</p>
<p>Also check out </p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers">http://www.techinterviews.com/perl-interview-questions-and-answers</a></span></p>
<p>they have segments for each language, and OS, <br />This is MS interview questions, they deal with OS, algos etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://halcyon.usc.edu/%7Ekiran/msqs.html">http://halcyon.usc.edu/~kiran/msqs.html</a></span></p>
<p>Here are a few from google, MS , amazon etc</p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"<br />
 href="http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/">http://placementsindia.blogspot.com/</a></span></p>
<p>Also note, when stuck between two coders, who are equally as good, get them to <br />a) Write a paragraph of text explaining what they did last summer on holiday<br />b) Create a 3 slide ppt, showing what they do at work</p>
<p>Why? because whenever you are stuck between two people, the one who can write things down, and present them clearly and coherently and concisely wins </p>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Tom Watts &lt;[address removed]><br /><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> [address removed]<br /><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 27 April, 2009 11:55:03<br /><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [entrepreneur-1056] How can we test a developer&#8217;s skills?<br /></font><br />Hi everyone.</p>
<p>Long time listener, first time caller.</p>
<p>I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the business of building and running online communities for research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part of our proposition is the<br />
 delivery of our bespoke social network tool.</p>
<p>To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a good job at building our product to specification. However, as business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we feel could be a good &#8216;fit&#8217; to our existing team.</p>
<p>The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually code &#8211; including their approach to coding. Not having these skills internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.</p>
<p>In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which would demonstrate their skills. We<br />
 have a friendly developer who could then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their abilities.</p>
<p>Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a different approach that someone has used successfully?</p>
<p>Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Tom<br clear="all">&#8211;<br />Tom Watts<br />Director</p>
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Clearwater
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Manchester Street
London
W1U
3AE
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UK
UK
Cell/SMS: +447958002382
Indian
Cell/SMS: +919884690539
Email:
[address removed]
Skype:
mattrogers1975
Twitter:
aroxo
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[mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Rachel Armitage
Sent: 24 April 2009 12:59
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Matt<br />
Rogers &#8211; Co-Founder</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a<br />
href="http://www.aroxo.com/">Aroxo</a> &#8211; Earth&#8217;s marketplace</span></b><span<br />
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3rd<br />
Floor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Clearwater<br />
House<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>4-7<br />
Manchester Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>London<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>W1U<br />
3AE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Location:<br />
UK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>UK<br />
Cell/SMS: +447958002382<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Indian<br />
Cell/SMS: +919884690539</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Email:<br />
[address removed]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skype:<br />
mattrogers1975<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Twitter:<br />
aroxo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Blog:<br />
<a href="http://www.aroxo.com/blog/mattr">http://www.aroxo.com/blog/mattr</a> <a<br />
href="http://www.aroxo.com/blog/mattr/index.php/feed/">feed</a></span><span<br />
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:<br />
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;<br />
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> [address removed]<br />
[mailto:[address removed]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachel Armitage<br />
<b>Sent:</b> 24 April 2009 12:59<br />
<b>To:</b> [address removed]<br />
<b>Subject:</b> [entrepreneur-1056] Domain registration and management service<br />
recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I&#8217;m looking for a<br />
recommendation for a domain management service that can handle European country<br />
code Top Level Domains from the UK (for example es, .fr).&nbsp; I recognise that the<br />
requirements are different for registering different cc TLDs, but in general,<br />
can anybody recommend a decent registration and management service that charges<br />
a reasonable price for doing this outside of the country in question?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks in advance,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span<br />
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Rachel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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