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Hi Fab,

Cool, my number and email are below it would be great to hear from you. Please have a look at my website to see how I work and for some examples of current projects. If you would like to see more I can send you a PDF directly.

Thanks

Doug



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<div>Cool, my number and email are below it would be great to hear from you. Please have a look at my website to see how I work and for some examples of current projects. If you would like to see more I can send you a PDF directly.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>On 28 Apr 2009, at 11:38, Fabrice Ward wrote:</div>
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<div> <font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Have projects going through all the time, so it could be any number of different things.</p>
<p> On 28/04/2009 11:30, &#8220;Doug Lyon&#8221; &lt;<a href="[address removed]">[address removed]</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p> I&#8217;d be really interested to hear more. What type of project is it? &nbsp;Please feel free to email directly if you wish.</p>
<p> Thanks</p>
<p> Doug</p>
<p> Doug Lyon</p>
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<p> On 28 Apr 2009, at 11:19, Fabrice Ward wrote:</p>
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<blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi all,<br /> &nbsp;<br /> &nbsp;Seeing as I know this group is strongly against recruitment consultants, anyone want to save me a few 30%s.<br /> &nbsp;<br /> &nbsp;Am looking for some super talented freelance web designers. Anyone know any?<br /> &nbsp;<br /> &nbsp;Fab <br /> </span></font></p></blockquote>
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Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Down with recruitment consultants


Have projects going through all the time, so it could be any number of different things.


On 28/04/2009 11:30, &#34;Doug Lyon&#34; &#60;[address removed]&#62; wrote:

Hi Fab,

I&#8217;d be really interested to hear more. What type of project is it? &#160;Please feel free to email directly if you wish.

Thanks

Doug


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&nbsp;Seeing as I know this group is strongly against recruitment consultants, anyone want to save me a few 30%s.<BR><br />
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&nbsp;Am looking for some super talented freelance web designers. Anyone know any?<BR><br />
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Hi Fab,

I&#8217;d be really interested to hear more. What type of project is it? &#160;Please feel free to email directly if you wish.

Thanks

Doug



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<div>I&#8217;d be really interested to hear more. What type of project is it? &nbsp;Please feel free to email directly if you wish.</div>
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<p> Am looking for some super talented freelance web designers. Anyone know any?</p>
<p> Fab </span></font></p></blockquote></div>
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<div>I&#8217;m based in North London. I&#8217;d love to have a chat about your project. I&#8217;ll be at the open coffee meet tomorrow and you can email me directly at [address removed]</div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="203305612-15042009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I&#8217;m interested in your concept and also the context of the framework within which you are offering your service. I&#8217;m reaching the point of development of a project whereby I&#8217;ll need to instruct the services of a graphic designer. So far I&#8217;ve received 2 quotes for the work, one is a professional contact the other is someone I know who is prepared to be more flexible on price. My thoughts are to use the professional contact as this sets in place for me the structure&nbsp;within which&nbsp;we will both be operating. I&#8217;ll be the client and will have the final say in the format of the presentation. The relationship is understood by both of us and there are no woolly areas, no obligation from either side to operate in a certain way, no sense of&nbsp;debt or favours being owed.&nbsp;</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="203305612-15042009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">However, due to the nature of the project, I&#8217;m still interested in your concept and I&#8217;m wondering whether it might be worth having a chat. I&#8217;m situated below Guildford. Where abouts&nbsp;are you?</font></span></div>
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framework within which you are offering your service. I&#8217;m reaching the point of
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color=#0000ff size=2>I&#8217;m interested in your concept and also the context of the<br />
framework within which you are offering your service. I&#8217;m reaching the point of<br />
development of a project whereby I&#8217;ll need to instruct the services of a graphic<br />
designer. So far I&#8217;ve received 2 quotes for the work, one is a professional<br />
contact the other is someone I know who is prepared to be more flexible on<br />
price. My thoughts are to use the professional contact as this sets in place for<br />
me the structure&nbsp;within which&nbsp;we will both be operating. I&#8217;ll be the<br />
client and will have the final say in the format of the presentation. The<br />
relationship is understood by both of us and there are no woolly areas, no<br />
obligation from either side to operate in a certain way, no sense of&nbsp;debt<br />
or favours being owed.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV><br />
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=203305612-15042009><FONT face=Arial<br />
color=#0000ff size=2>However, due to the nature of the project, I&#8217;m still<br />
interested in your concept and I&#8217;m wondering whether it might be worth having a<br />
chat. I&#8217;m situated below Guildford. Where abouts&nbsp;are<br />
you?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><br />
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> [address removed]<br />
[mailto:[address removed]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Doug<br />
Lyon<BR><B>Sent:</B> 15 April 2009 11:18<BR><B>To:</B><br />
[address removed]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [entrepreneur-1056]<br />
99designs.com &#8211; feedback<BR></FONT><BR></DIV><br />
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">Hi Ronnny thanks for your response.<br />
my initial client base are companies or individuals that are base in or near to<br />
london.</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">I want to meet them face to face,<br />
it?s a good way to start a relationship and I get to fully understand the scope<br />
and the objectives of their project and can better gauge whether I can help make<br />
a positive difference to their business. (There will be exceptions to this,<br />
where we have developed a relationship online)</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">I will hopefully also be able to<br />
gauge whether they aim to take advantage of Mash?s offer and not pay anything.<br />
And this might happen , it is a risk, but by focusing on their real need,&nbsp;<br />
doing the best job for them, agreeing a time frame, we are both happy with,<br />
having an idea of what they want to pay before we start, developing the<br />
relationship and playing a real part in getting their business off the ground<br />
from a design perspective, I?m hoping this model will work.&nbsp;</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">Another point is that we get to work<br />
with great people, exciting projects and opportunities and the work we do for<br />
these companies is an advert for Mash?s design skills and services, where money<br />
is not exchanged for our services, some people may offer their services in<br />
return for ours.</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">The more people Mash work with and<br />
pay a reasonable amount that pays our bills and keeps the ?experiment? going,<br />
the more able Mash are able to help other people who initially can only pay a<br />
nominal amount.</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">When the business model is not about<br />
money but about great work and about what we can do for you rather than&nbsp;<br />
how much money we can make out of you, I feel people will spread the word<br />
through a feeling of ?Wow? that?s really helped me, how can I help<br />
them?&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">&nbsp;A typical business person<br />
has?</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">&nbsp;&nbsp; * 17 friends&nbsp;<br />
/&nbsp; colleagues they?re connected to</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">&nbsp;&nbsp; * 641 people in their<br />
network</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">&nbsp;&nbsp; * 5196 topics their<br />
network knows about or has a shared interest in</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">That?s potentially a great audience<br />
and if this business model continues to work, I really feel it can make a<br />
difference and&nbsp;make my girlfriend believe I?m not mad!</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">Thanks for taking the time to write<br />
back!</DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><BR></DIV><br />
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times">I&#8217;ll be posting replies back with<br />
increased regularity on here and also on my my blog at&nbsp;<SPAN<br />
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href="http://www.mashinteractive.com/blog.html">http://www.mashinteractive.com/blog.html</A></SPAN></DIV><br />
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Times"><FONT class=Apple-style-span<br />
face=Helvetica>Have a great day</FONT></DIV><br />
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<DIV>Doug Lyon</DIV><br />
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<DIV>On 15 Apr 2009, at 07:38, Ronny Ager-Wick wrote:</DIV><BR<br />
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  <DIV><TT>Doug,<BR>interesting business model. Reminds me about my favourite<br />
  doctor/chiropractor/healer/medicine man in a far away barrio in the<br />
  Philippines. After receiving their treatment, patients simply went to a corner<br />
  of the room, where they, at their discretion, put money in a bowl. If you have<br />
  nothing, you&#8217;re not expected to pay anything. If you are rich, you can still<br />
  pay what other people normally pay, which is about 60-70p per treatment.<br />
  Nobody steals from the bowl, that&#8217;s completely unheard of. He simply collects<br />
  his money at the end of the day, and treats everybody with the same<br />
  professionalism, no matter their payment ability. I doubt this is a very<br />
  profitable business for him generally, but he&#8217;s more interested in helping<br />
  people than maintaining his own personal wealth. He&#8217;s actually a really good<br />
  doctor, with vast experience and a fantastic use of native medicine instead of<br />
  commercial ones where possible, and </TT><TT>the result is that sometimes,<br />
  after he has cured some rich people, he may suddenly receive major gifts out<br />
  of the blue, sometimes anonymous.<BR>So it actually works in his case, but one<br />
  important aspect is that the initial &#8220;donation&#8221; is made cash on delivery.<br />
  Plus, he has something you don&#8217;t have &#8211; everyone he treats are local, or can<br />
  be recognized somehow, so not paying their share would be shameful. Here in<br />
  London, you&#8217;ll never achieve that effect.<BR><BR>One thing that may become<br />
  troublesome here in the UK though is that some people seem to use you as a<br />
  bank, pushing out the payment date so long they forget what you did for them.<br />
  Are you going to demand quick payment, of whatever amount they are willing to<br />
  pay, or let them use you as their ow personal credit facility?<BR><BR>Another<br />
  potential problem is how much time you spend on each client. For example, if<br />
  someone is planning on paying you £150, because that&#8217;s what they think it will<br />
  cost on 99designs, and they don&#8217;t see the difference, should you spend as much<br />
  time with them as the ones that are prepared to pay £3k? </TT><TT>Do you agree<br />
  the amount they pay up front?</TT><BR><TT><BR>Or are you prepared to give away<br />
  work to unethical and rouge players? I&#8217;d love to hear how this goes, and I&#8217;m<br />
  tempted to offer the same, and in some cases I have &#8211; to a degree, but I have<br />
  expenses to pay, both fixed and variable, and I&#8217;m not sure if the UK market is<br />
  ready for this business model.<BR>Good luck, though! <img src='http://mashinteractive.com/opencoffee/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <BR><BR>~Ronny.<BR>PS:<br />
  I&#8217;m starting up a project now. Do you accept a £1 initial donation and a major<br />
  contribution when the project has become successful? You see the problem, I&#8217;ve<br />
  now pushed the risk over to you without feeling very guilty &#8211; because I will<br />
  pay you, but it depends on the project&#8217;s success.<BR>Avoid becoming a bank,<br />
  unless you have lots of money and are prepared to accept some<br />
  defaults&#8230;<BR></TT><TT><BR></TT><BR>Doug Lyon wrote:<br />
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:157568371.1239685981159.JavaMail.nobody@james3<br />
  type="cite">Hi,<br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>I&#8217;ve been following with interest the thread&nbsp;(and other related<br />
    ones)&nbsp;about 99 designs, free design templates and competitions etc,<br />
    some interesting points raised and &nbsp;i&#8217;d love to have your opinions on<br />
    this:</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>Throughout my career (and i&#8217;m sure i&#8217;m not alone!), as a designer up to<br />
    creative director for&nbsp;predominately&nbsp;London based design and<br />
    advertising agencies, I have tried to add value to all client relationships<br />
    and tried to always focus on the work &amp; client business objectives<br />
    rather than the cost.</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>This has not always gone down too well with my bosses but my feeling<br />
    was that if we focused on the long-term value of the agency/client<br />
    relationship, helping our clients achieve their business objectives without<br />
    quoting £xxxx&nbsp;every time&nbsp;we moved a mouse, &nbsp;that this<br />
    approach would be recognised, leading to a&nbsp;stronger&nbsp;relationship<br />
    with our clients , where their success would be ours.</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>Similarly, outside of work, I have used my skills<br />
    and&nbsp;experience&nbsp;to help friends &amp; family, from websites to<br />
    wedding invites!, In both cases being helpful and useful has<br />
    been&nbsp;worthwhile&nbsp;and rewarding.</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>In part due to the present economic climate, where people are losing<br />
    their job&#8217;s, budgets are being cut and money is limited, and in part due to<br />
    a belief that their may be a better way of working I have set up a<br />
    design&nbsp;agency with a difference.</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>Aimed initially at the&nbsp;start-up groups I&#8217;m involved<br />
    with,&nbsp;Mash interactive&nbsp;extends&nbsp;the notion of being useful,<br />
    helpful and focused on&nbsp;value rather than cost.&nbsp;</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>To this end, Mash does not &nbsp;charge for the work &nbsp;we do,<br />
    rather, &nbsp;we invite our clients to pay what they can afford or what they<br />
    believe the job is worth to&nbsp;their&nbsp;business, after the work<br />
    is&nbsp;satisfactorily&nbsp;completed. Simple as that, if our clients are<br />
    happy and successful, we feel we will be to!</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>The url is <A href="http://www.mashinteractive.com"<br />
    moz-do-not-send="true">www.mashinteractive.com</A> and it should be pretty<br />
    self-explanatory what we do. I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts, comments,<br />
    opinions, either on the blog or emailed here, many thanks in advance!</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>Kind regards</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV>Doug</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><BR><br />
    <DIV apple-content-edited="true"><br />
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    <DIV>Doug Lyon</DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV><br />
    <DIV><A href="mailto:[address removed]"<br />
    moz-do-not-send="true">[address removed]</A></DIV><br />
    <DIV><A href="http://www.mashinteractive.com"<br />
    moz-do-not-send="true">www.mashinteractive.com</A></DIV><br />
    <DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><br />
    <DIV><br />
    <DIV>On 6 Apr 2009, at 04:38, Larry wrote:</DIV><BR<br />
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      <DIV>Hi, <BR><BR>Our designer anwered with <BR><BR><A<br />
      href="http://www.design.org.au/content.cfm?id=245"<br />
      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.design.org.au/content.cfm?id=245</A><BR><BR><br />
      <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A<br />
      href="http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/en/About-Design/Research/The-Business-of-Design2/Winning-business/"<br />
      target=_blank<br />
      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/en/About-Design/Research/The-Business-of-Design2/Winning-business/</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT<br />
      face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN<br />
      style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></P>=<br />
      free pitching is not a solid method for a company.<BR><BR>Larry<br />
      <BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV><br />
      <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 4/3/09, <B class=gmail_sendername>Nick<br />
      Barker</B> &lt;<A href="mailto:[address removed]"<br />
      moz-do-not-send="true">[address removed]</A>&gt; wrote:</SPAN><br />
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      style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><br />
        <DIV>Hi Jon/Harddeep<BR><BR>I&#8217;ve used both <SPAN class=st id=st<br />
        name="st">99Designs</SPAN> &amp; Elance for logos &#8211; here are my<br />
        experiences, guidelines and advice on both: <BR><BR><A<br />
        href="http://nickpoint.co.uk/2009/01/28/using-99designs-sourcing-low-cost-logo-designs-part-2/"<br />
        target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">Using <SPAN class=st id=st<br />
        name="st">99Designs</SPAN>: Sourcing low cost logo designs &#8211; PART<br />
        2</A><BR><A<br />
        href="http://nickpoint.co.uk/2009/01/20/sourcing-low-cost-logo-designs-part-1/"<br />
        target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">Sourcing low cost logo designs &#8211;<br />
        PART 1</A><BR><BR>Hope it helps<BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Nick<br />
        <DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_1206c61388274485_1><BR><BR><br />
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          <DIV><BR>I think the way it works is that various freelancers read<br />
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Thanks a lot all for your valuable inputs, tools, all the links, advice and views. 
I will keep in touch personally for more specific follow-ups with some of you.
Thanks again!
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2009/4/15 Doug Lyon &#60;[address removed]&#62;

Nice work Robert, you should consider putting your work on Vimeo, all exposure is good and may lead to more commissions!



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<p>Thanks a lot all for your valuable inputs, tools, all the links, advice and views. </p>
<p>I will keep in touch personally for more specific follow-ups with some of you.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>Barbara<br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.anoigma.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://www.anoigma.com/blog/</a></p>
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<div>Nice work Robert, you should consider putting your work on Vimeo, all exposure is good and may lead to more commissions!
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<p>I have followed your thread with interest and am more than happy to advise you on the production and implementation of a demo video.</p>
<p>Examples of my work can be viewed online at</p>
<p><span><a href="http://www.2die4.tv" target="_blank">http://www.2die4.tv</a></span> </p>
<p>Regards</p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [entrepreneur-1056] Video demo<br /></font><br />Hi all,</p>
<p>My start-up specialised in IT healthcare would need some advice and help to build a short video demo that aims at :</p>
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<li> giving a good glance of our application features once a new user has logged in </li>
<li>attract some interest (from customers,investors,experts)</li>
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<p>I would be grateful to benefit from the experience and advices of some of you who might already have done it and hopefully this would be helpful for others like me.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />Barbara<br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.anoigma.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://www.anoigma.com/blog/</a></p>
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Nice work Robert, you should consider putting your work on Vimeo, all&#160;exposure&#160;is good and may lead to more commissions!


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<p>Nice work Robert, you should consider putting your work on Vimeo, all&nbsp;exposure&nbsp;is good and may lead to more commissions!
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<div>Barbara,</p>
<p>I have followed your thread with interest and am more than happy to advise you on the production and implementation of a demo video.</p>
<p>Examples of my work can be viewed online at</p>
<p><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.2die4.tv">http://www.2die4.tv</a></span> </p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Robert</div>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Barbara &lt;[address removed]><br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> [address removed]<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 17:42:28<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [entrepreneur-1056] Video demo<br /></font><br />Hi all,</p>
<p>My start-up specialised in IT healthcare would need some advice and help to build a short video demo that aims at :</p>
<ol>
<li>&nbsp;giving a good glance of our application features once a new user has logged in </li>
<li>attract some interest (from customers,investors,experts)</li>
</ol>
<p>I would be grateful to benefit from the experience and advices of some of you who might already have done it and hopefully this would be helpful for others like me.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />Barbara<br /><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.anoigma.com/blog/">http://www.anoigma.com/blog/</a></p>
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Doug,
interesting business model. Reminds me about my favourite
doctor/chiropractor/healer/medicine man in a far away barrio in the
Philippines. After receiving their treatment, patients simply went to a
corner of the room, where they, at their discretion, put money in a
bowl. If you have nothing, you're not expected to pay anything. If you
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<p><tt>Doug,<br />
interesting business model. Reminds me about my favourite<br />
doctor/chiropractor/healer/medicine man in a far away barrio in the<br />
Philippines. After receiving their treatment, patients simply went to a<br />
corner of the room, where they, at their discretion, put money in a<br />
bowl. If you have nothing, you're not expected to pay anything. If you<br />
are rich, you can still pay what other people normally pay, which is<br />
about 60-70p per treatment. Nobody steals from the bowl, that's<br />
completely unheard of. He simply collects his money at the end of the<br />
day, and treats everybody with the same professionalism, no matter<br />
their payment ability. I doubt this is a very profitable business for<br />
him generally, but he's more interested in helping people than<br />
maintaining his own personal wealth. He's actually a really good<br />
doctor, with vast experience and a fantastic use of native medicine<br />
instead of commercial ones where possible, and </tt><tt>the result is<br />
that sometimes, after he has cured some rich people, he may suddenly<br />
receive major gifts out of the blue, sometimes anonymous.<br />
So it actually works in his case, but one important aspect is that the<br />
initial "donation" is made cash on delivery. Plus, he has something you<br />
don't have - everyone he treats are local, or can be recognized<br />
somehow, so not paying their share would be shameful. Here in London,<br />
you'll never achieve that effect.</p>
<p>One thing that may become troublesome here in the UK though is that<br />
some people seem to use you as a bank, pushing out the payment date so<br />
long they forget what you did for them. Are you going to demand quick<br />
payment, of whatever amount they are willing to pay, or let them use<br />
you as their ow personal credit facility?</p>
<p>Another potential problem is how much time you spend on each client.<br />
For example, if someone is planning on paying you &pound;150, because that's<br />
what they think it will cost on 99designs, and they don't see the<br />
difference, should you spend as much time with them as the ones that<br />
are prepared to pay &pound;3k? </tt><tt>Do you agree the amount they pay up<br />
front?</tt><br />
<tt><br />
Or are you prepared to give away work to unethical and rouge players?<br />
I'd love to hear how this goes, and I'm tempted to offer the same, and<br />
in some cases I have - to a degree, but I have expenses to pay, both<br />
fixed and variable, and I'm not sure if the UK market is ready for this<br />
business model.<br />
Good luck, though! <img src='http://mashinteractive.com/opencoffee/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>~Ronny.<br />
PS: I'm starting up a project now. Do you accept a &pound;1 initial donation<br />
and a major contribution when the project has become successful? You<br />
see the problem, I've now pushed the risk over to you without feeling<br />
very guilty - because I will pay you, but it depends on the project's<br />
success.<br />
Avoid becoming a bank, unless you have lots of money and are prepared<br />
to accept some defaults...<br />
</tt><tt><br />
</tt><br />
Doug Lyon wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="mid:157568371.1239685981159.JavaMail.nobody@james3"<br />
 type="cite"><p>Hi,</p>
<div>
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<div>I&#8217;ve been following with interest the thread&nbsp;(and other related<br />
ones)&nbsp;about 99 designs, free design templates and competitions etc,<br />
some interesting points raised and &nbsp;i&#8217;d love to have your opinions on<br />
this:</div>
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  </div>
<div>Throughout my career (and i&#8217;m sure i&#8217;m not alone!), as a<br />
designer up to creative director for&nbsp;predominately&nbsp;London based design<br />
and advertising agencies, I have tried to add value to all client<br />
relationships and tried to always focus on the work &amp; client<br />
business objectives rather than the cost.</div>
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  </div>
<div>This has not always gone down too well with my bosses but my<br />
feeling was that if we focused on the long-term value of the<br />
agency/client relationship, helping our clients achieve their business<br />
objectives without quoting &pound;xxxx&nbsp;every time&nbsp;we moved a mouse, &nbsp;that<br />
this approach would be recognised, leading to a&nbsp;stronger&nbsp;relationship<br />
with our clients , where their success would be ours.</div>
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<div>Similarly, outside of work, I have used my skills<br />
and&nbsp;experience&nbsp;to help friends &amp; family, from websites to wedding<br />
invites!, In both cases being helpful and useful has<br />
been&nbsp;worthwhile&nbsp;and rewarding.</div>
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  </div>
<div>In part due to the present economic climate, where people are<br />
losing their job&#8217;s, budgets are being cut and money is limited, and in<br />
part due to a belief that their may be a better way of working I have<br />
set up a design&nbsp;agency with a difference.</div>
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  </div>
<div>Aimed initially at the&nbsp;start-up groups I&#8217;m involved with,&nbsp;Mash<br />
interactive&nbsp;extends&nbsp;the notion of being useful, helpful and focused<br />
on&nbsp;value rather than cost.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>To this end, Mash does not &nbsp;charge for the work &nbsp;we do, rather,<br />
&nbsp;we invite our clients to pay what they can afford or what they believe<br />
the job is worth to&nbsp;their&nbsp;business, after the work<br />
is&nbsp;satisfactorily&nbsp;completed. Simple as that, if our clients are happy<br />
and successful, we feel we will be to!</div>
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<div>The url is <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br />
 href="http://www.mashinteractive.com">www.mashinteractive.com</a> and<br />
it should be pretty self-explanatory what we do. I&#8217;d love to hear your<br />
thoughts, comments, opinions, either on the blog or emailed here, many<br />
thanks in advance!</div>
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<div>Kind regards</div>
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<div>Doug</div>
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<div>On 6 Apr 2009, at 04:38, Larry wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi, </p>
<p>Our designer anwered with </p>
<p>    <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br />
 href="http://www.design.org.au/content.cfm?id=245">http://www.design.org.au/content.cfm?id=245</a></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span<br />
 style="font-size: 12pt;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"<br />
 href="http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/en/About-Design/Research/The-Business-of-Design2/Winning-business/"<br />
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<p>= free pitching is not a solid method for a company.</p>
<p>Larry </p>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/3/09, <b<br />
 class="gmail_sendername">Nick Barker</b> &lt;[address removed]&gt;<br />
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 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"<br />
 class="gmail_quote">
<div>Hi Jon/Harddeep</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used both <span id="st" class="st" name="st">99Designs</span><br />
&amp; Elance for logos &#8211; here are my experiences, guidelines and advice<br />
on both: </p>
<p>      <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br />
 href="http://nickpoint.co.uk/2009/01/28/using-99designs-sourcing-low-cost-logo-designs-part-2/"<br />
 target="_blank">Using <span id="st" class="st" name="st">99Designs</span>:<br />
Sourcing low cost logo designs &#8211; PART 2</a><br />
      <a moz-do-not-send="true"<br />
 href="http://nickpoint.co.uk/2009/01/20/sourcing-low-cost-logo-designs-part-1/"<br />
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<p>Hope it helps</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Hardeep<br />
Rai <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span><br />
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<div>Hi Jon, </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I have a good friend that has used <a<br />
 moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.99designs.com/" target="_blank">www.99designs.com</a>.<br />
When he showed me his end product I could not believe he&#8217;d only paid<br />
US$300 for it ! It was&nbsp;logo and a business card. Very impressive. </div>
<div>
I think the way it works is that various freelancers read your profile<br />
and then produce a mock up. You can then say what you like / don&#8217;t like<br />
and they fine tune it until you get what you want. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I&#8217;ve not used it myself yet, but when I&#8217;m ready &#8211; I&#8217;ve<br />
always thought that would be my first port of call&#8230;.</div>
<div>
What attracts me to it is that there are a number of people pitching<br />
for your business. Needless to say &#8211; some of these will not be any good<br />
- but some of them will be&#8230;</div>
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Thanks. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Hardeep. </div>
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Viisys CEO</p>
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think of slides too
On 4/14/09, Doug Lyon &#60;[address removed]&#62; wrote:

Hi Paul, 
 
You should also check out this link:
 
http://video-commerce.org/2008/increase-seo-with-online-video/
 
 

Doug Lyon
 
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www.mashinteractive.com
 


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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/14/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">Doug Lyon</b> &lt;[address removed]&gt; wrote:</span></p>
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<div>Hi Paul, </p>
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<div>You should also check out this link:</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a  href="http://video-commerce.org/2008/increase-seo-with-online-video/" target="_blank">http://video-commerce.org/2008/increase-seo-with-online-video/</a></div>
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<div>Doug Lyon</div>
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<div>On 14 Apr 2009, at 18:21, Paul wrote:</div>
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<div><span class="q">Hello All,</p>
<p>I&#39;m not at all clued-up re IT / Web issues etc but I&#39;m in the process of getting the content together for my intended web-site and have heard that some video helps to get you found sooner via google (youtube links etc)?</p>
<p>Is that BS and is it worth inc say, 12 seconds as suggested, to improve your hit-rate?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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<b>From</b>: Aidan Fitzpatrick <br /><b>Date</b>: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:52:58 -0400<br /></span><span class="q"><b>To</b>: &lt;[address removed]&gt;<br />
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Video demo</p>
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<p>I see a lot of business plans and investment pitches every week, and from an investor&#39;s or mentor&#39;s perspective I hate video. I can&#39;t digest it easily whilst on the move, I can&#39;t print it out, and if it moves at a snail&#39;s pace I&#39;m a captive, bored audience&#8230; or rather, I&#39;m not, because I&#39;ll only watch a second or two.</p>
<p>12secondsTV (<a  href="http://12seconds.tv/" target="_blank">http://12seconds.tv/</a>) are on to a winner with their 12-second videos, but I think they&#39;d be twice as good if they were 6secondsTV.</p>
<p>Yes, video can show that you&#39;re creative, and it can be effective, but that&#39;s all about how and where you use it. Just as you should be disciplined to keep other pitches short, keep your video short if it&#39;s a primary pitch resource, and provide the data in other formats.</p>
<p>Video is an emotive topic and I&#39;m sure everyone will have a different view. I&#39;m not writing from a customer&#39;s POV. No doubt plenty of investors here will say they love it!</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 17:42, Barbara <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]&gt;</span> wrote:</p>
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<p>My start-up specialised in IT healthcare would need some advice and help to build a short video demo that aims at :</p>
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<li> giving a good glance of our application features once a new user has logged in
<li>attract some interest (from customers,investors,experts)</li>
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<p>I would be grateful to benefit from the experience and advices of some of you who might already have done it and hopefully this would be helpful for others like me.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />Barbara<br /><a  href="http://www.anoigma.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://www.anoigma.com/blog/</a><br /><font color="#888888"></p>
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Hi Paul,

You should also check out this link:

http://video-commerce.org/2008/increase-seo-with-online-video/



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On 14 Apr 2009, at 18:21, Paul wrote:


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<div>You should also check out this link:</div>
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<div>On 14 Apr 2009, at 18:21, Paul wrote:</div>
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<div>Hello All,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all clued-up re IT / Web issues etc but I&#8217;m in the process of getting the content together for my intended web-site and have heard that some video helps to get you found sooner via google (youtube links etc)?</p>
<p>Is that BS and is it worth inc say, 12 seconds as suggested, to improve your hit-rate?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Paul
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<hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"><b>From</b>:  Aidan Fitzpatrick <[address removed]><br /><b>Date</b>: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:52:58 -0400<br /><b>To</b>: &lt;[address removed]><br /><b>Subject</b>: Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Video demo
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<p>I see a lot of business plans and investment pitches every week, and from an investor&#8217;s or mentor&#8217;s perspective I hate video. I can&#8217;t digest it easily whilst on the move, I can&#8217;t print it out, and if it moves at a snail&#8217;s pace I&#8217;m a captive, bored audience&#8230; or rather, I&#8217;m not, because I&#8217;ll only watch a second or two.</p>
<p>12secondsTV (<a href="http://12seconds.tv/">http://12seconds.tv/</a>) are on to a winner with their 12-second videos, but I think they&#8217;d be twice as good if they were 6secondsTV.</p>
<p>Yes, video can show that you&#8217;re creative, and it can be effective, but that&#8217;s all about how and where you use it. Just as you should be disciplined to keep other pitches short, keep your video short if it&#8217;s a primary pitch resource, and provide the data in other formats.</p>
<p>Video is an emotive topic and I&#8217;m sure everyone will have a different view. I&#8217;m not writing from a customer&#8217;s POV. No doubt plenty of investors here will say they love it!</p>
<p>A</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 17:42, Barbara <span dir="ltr">&lt;[address removed]></span> wrote:<br /> <br />
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<div>Hi all,</p>
<p>My start-up specialised in IT healthcare would need some advice and help to build a short video demo that aims at :</p>
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<li>&nbsp;giving a good glance of our application features once a new user has logged in </li>
<li>attract some interest (from customers,investors,experts)</li>
</ol>
<p>I would be grateful to benefit from the experience and advices of some of you who might already have done it and hopefully this would be helpful for others like me.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />Barbara<br /><a href="http://www.anoigma.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://www.anoigma.com/blog/</a><br /><font color="#888888"></p>
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