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How can we test a developer’ skills?

Chris Powell — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:13:00 +0000

Tom

In my years of running development teams (both internal and outsourced),
I find useful technical attributes, besides coding ability, are that the
candidate has enthusiasm and flexibility.  I have come across perfectly
competent developers who have become cynical about the development
business who soured the atmosphere (and the team).  Enthusiastic guys
often like to explain precisely why, for example, PHP v5.3 is better
than v5.2.8 - and how it might solve a problem or two for you.  Your
candidate should also be able to operate outside a narrow technical
box.  I once came across a developer who could think like a compiler but
was unable to work from a design.  Every small point had to be specified
completely.  He didn't last long...

As has been alluded to elsewhere on the thread, when taking over
outsourced developed code, a code audit is a useful process.  This
needn't take long and can point to areas of weakness (if any) that may
need to be tackled.  Simply relying on the functionality to be correct
does not guarantee decent code or database schemas etc.  It does require
a technically competent person, one who has been at the coal face and
who can spot architectural problems and so on.

Regards
Chris Powell
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Tom Watts wrote:
> Hi everyone.
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> Long time listener, first time caller.
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> I was hoping that someone on this group could offer some advice...
>
> We're in the business of building and running online communities for
> research and innovation, which we deliver to brands and agencys. Part
> of our proposition is the delivery of our bespoke social network tool.
>
> To date, we have been working with an external agency, who have done a
> good job at building our product to specification. However, as
> business ramps up, we are looking to refine the product and introduce
> new features and services. As such, it has become necessary to recruit
> a developer, who is versed in the use open source tools (LAMP).
>
> We've looked around and have a good final list of candidates, who we
> feel could be a good 'fit' to our existing team.
>
> The one area that we have yet to test for is the ability to actually
> code - including their approach to coding. Not having these skills
> internally, it is difficult for us to achieve this. As such we were
> hoping to find some form of test that we could give them.
>
> In my mind, I thinking of a simple 1-2 hour exercise, whereby the
> candidates could make a simple web application/service/feature, which
> would demonstrate their skills. We have a friendly developer who could
> then look through what they have made and give us an idea of their
> abilities.
>
> Is there such a test that people know of? If not, perhaps there is a
> different approach that someone has used successfully?
>
> Either way, I would very much appreciate any ideas people may have.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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Nice one Gordon

Chris Powell — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:37:00 +0000

"But would that not just crowd out funds that would have invested

anyway."  Not sure about that, only 14% of plans get screened by

angels:

http://www.reincu... ,

would VCs be significantly better?
Chris Powell

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Peter Cunningham wrote:

> Personally I think the government is the worst allocator of resources.

> Decisions will be afflicted by politics (MPs defending marginal seats

> will want pork for their constituency), bureaucracy, political

> correctness and regional policy - never a recipe for optimal

> allocation of resources. And there will be pressure to keep funding

> 'lame ducks' that private investors would just leave to die.

>

> A radio 4 interview I heard asked how the US was able to find so many

> projects so quickly for 'public funding' as part of Obama's economic

> stimulus - the answer was easy these were all the projects that had

> already been rejected as hairbrained or non-viable that were just

> being re-presented!

>

> The only way it would work would be as a blind investor letting a VC

> or business angel association take the lead, evaluate the business

> case and value the opportunity. But would that not just crowd out

> funds that would have invested anyway.

>

> Maybe tax breaks for investment or reviving the small business loan

> schemes would work - or how about creating a fund that would allow

> entrepreneurs to claim a minimum and decent revenue when they work on

> first few months of a start up (having worked and lived in France for

> several years, many of the entreprenuers I met 'arranged' to be made

> redundant to be able claim two years salary from the ASSEDIC - 60% of

> the old salary paid by the government - while they worked on a start

> up. It was possible as long as you only took dividends and no salary!

> Makes you wonder why there are not more French entreprenuers? That is

> because they try and kill entrepreneurs with taxes and redtape as soon

> as they are successful, but thats another story). I always wondered

> why we spend so much money for the unemployed to sit on their

> backsides but never help those that try to help themselves.

>

> Thats my rant over!

>

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>     From: Antony Penn <[address removed]>

>     Subject: Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Nice one Gordon

>     To: [address removed]

>     Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 2:00 PM

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>     Given that:

>     1) banks are risk-averse

>     2) the banking ecenomy is shot; and

>     3) the UK government have a poor record of encouraging small

>     businesses

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>     You can guarantee that:

>     a) it will be many many years, if ever; and

>     b) you will find it near impossible to qualify

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>     On 20/04/2009, *Hamlesh Motah* <[address removed]

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>         I'd be very surprised if the "Sheriff of Nottingham" manages

>         to make this happen!

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>         On 20/4/09 12:29, Jon Vollemaere wrote:

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>             How long do you think it will take to go live ?

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Chris Powell — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:22:00 +0000

You're running on Windows I guess   .  I opened this from Thunderbird

(which led to FF with NoScript) on Solaris.  It was an innocuous link to

Jazzsteppa.  Just a spam adding to the CO2 background...
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How much should an in-house web developer cost?

Ronny Ager-Wick — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:22:00 +0000

Agree with that, there are numerous factors. If I was you I would not

hire anyone immediately, but rather offer a short term contract so you

can try them out first. Finding the right person for the job is not

easy. Finding the wrong person is *very* easy!

Regarding your question on which schools good developers come from -

none! The best developers come from experience, not schools. You can

hire "normal" developers any time for, as Chris mentioned, both sides of

40k, quite a bit to each side I believe, but the absolutely best ones,

are not available for money alone - they need a specific environment to

thrive. As a fresh startup, you already have one of the possible

ingredients.

I would also ask the question - do you really need the developer to be

in house? Sometimes it's better to benefit from having access to the

people that is right for each part of the job, rather than trying to get

one person to everything. Plus, using the best talents for the different

tasks within the very broad definition "web development", I believe may

be cheaper in the long run as well. Of course there is a bit of overhead

with managing may people rather than one, but if you want the best,

that's what you have to do.

This (finding the right people, following up, making stuff happen,

making sure everyone understands each other, etc.) happens to be exactly

what I do for a living (sorry about the blatant advert).

Ronny.
Chris Powell wrote:

> It can vary on where you are based, what platform you are thinking of

> using, what sort of seniority, whether contract or permanent, and what

> responsibilities amongst other things.  Are they just going to develop

> scripts or will they be working on server-side development?  Are you

> going to offer equity?

>

> A quick search on jobserve (and its equivalents should give you an

> idea).  Having said that, as a rough idea, I hired PHP developers in

> central London either side of £40k/pa last year.  Rates *may* have

> dropped a little since then.

>

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> Regards

> Chris Powell

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> Leah Magoye wrote:

>> I am trying to cost the hiring of an in-house web developer but am

>> not really sure how much they should be...

>>

>> Also does anyone know of any target schools that good developers

>> generally come from??

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>> Thanks!

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How much should an in-house web developer cost?

Chris Powell — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:51:00 +0000

It can vary on where you are based, what platform you are thinking of

using, what sort of seniority, whether contract or permanent, and what

responsibilities amongst other things.  Are they just going to develop

scripts or will they be working on server-side development?  Are you

going to offer equity?
A quick search on jobserve (and its equivalents should give you an

idea).  Having said that, as a rough idea, I hired PHP developers in

central London either side of £40k/pa last year.  Rates *may* have

dropped a little since then.
Regards

Chris Powell

mindyourstreet.com
Leah Magoye wrote:

> I am trying to cost the hiring of an in-house web developer but am not

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Skype for Business

Geoff Wright — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:19:00 +0000

We used it @ Blyk constantly…. Its excellent!

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Chris Powell <[address removed]> wrote:

Credit Suisse use it (in Singapore) or at least they use some form of VoIP. I've used it in a small company (30 people) split between Mumbai/London. Call quality can drop if insufficient bandwidth is allocated for each call. This becomes obvious at busy times. Search for 'voip bandwidth' for details.

Regards
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Barry Bridges wrote:

Hello,

Does anyone have any experience of using Skype for Business as their primary phone system within their start-up?

My business is really taking off and I'm now bringing on board my first members of staff. As part of this we're kindly being housed by a friend's company, but no phones are being provided and I'm looking for an effective and cheap system to use for our internal and mobile phone network that we can take with us and scale in the future.

My plan is to provide staff with mobiles but use Skype for Business as the primary switchboard service: i.e. SkypeIn will be the main business telephone number, then use something like Pretty May Call Centre for Skype (http://www.prettymay.net/callcenter/index.htm) or On State to handle and divert calls internally. If I can provide staff with skypephones then this will cut out a further portion of call costs and allow skype to be the main calling system throughout, avoiding higher rates.

Has anyone used Skype in this way and how have they found it? As a reasonably frugal start-up I'd rather not have to invest in quite expensive phone systems or contract packages (especially BT!) so thought this might be a good way to keep costs low. Any thoughts – or am I creating more work than it's worth?

Thanks,

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Skype for Business

Chris Powell — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:23:00 +0000

Credit Suisse use it (in Singapore) or at least they use some form of

VoIP.  I've used it in a small company (30 people) split between

Mumbai/London.  Call quality can drop if insufficient bandwidth is

allocated for each call.  This becomes obvious at busy times.  Search

for 'voip bandwidth' for details.
Regards

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Barry Bridges wrote:

> Hello,

>

> Does anyone have any experience of using Skype for Business as their

> primary phone system within their start-up?

>

> My business is really taking off and I'm now bringing on board my

> first members of staff. As part of this we're kindly being housed by a

> friend's company, but no phones are being provided and I'm looking for

> an effective and cheap system to use for our internal and mobile phone

> network that we can take with us and scale in the future.

>

> My plan is to provide staff with mobiles but use Skype for Business as

> the primary switchboard service: i.e. SkypeIn will be the main

> business telephone number, then use something like Pretty May Call

> Centre for Skype (http://www.pretty...) or On

> State to handle and divert calls internally. If I can provide staff

> with skypephones then this will cut out a further portion of call

> costs and allow skype to be the main calling system throughout,

> avoiding higher rates.

>

> Has anyone used Skype in this way and how have they found it? As a

> reasonably frugal start-up I'd rather not have to invest in quite

> expensive phone systems or contract packages (especially BT!) so

> thought this might be a good way to keep costs low. Any thoughts - or

> am I creating more work than it's worth?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Barry.

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Voice over internet

Fabrice Ward — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:04:00 +0000

Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Voice over internet

Thanks for the leads, I now know why I haven’t unsubscribed from this group.

It’s all a little over my head though. Are any of you expert in this area or know anyone who is?

On 24/03/2009 13:56, "Peter Cunningham" <[address removed]> wrote:

You could look at OpenWengo, Asterisk, Gnomemeeting if you are an Open Source fan

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From: Chris Powell <[address removed]>

Subject: Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Voice over internet

To: [address removed]

Date: Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 9:35 AM

No expert but I do know there are plenty of VoIP APIs out there you can use:

Jaduka for example plus Skype has its own API. For PBX type stuff Asterix has an

API.

You should be aware that Skype VoIP is non-standard

(http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/press_release.php?id=76) but has recently jumped

onto the open standard SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) for business VoIP,

presumably to connect to standard PBXs.

Regards

Chris Powell

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Fabrice Ward wrote:

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>     Hi all,

>

>     Does anyone know any developers who know about voice over internet

>     applications like Skype? What’s involved in developing them,

>     what’s available ‘off the shelf’ etc?

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>     Any leads much appreciated.

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>     Regards,

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Voice over internet

Fabrice Ward — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:04:00 +0000

Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Voice over internet

Thanks for the leads, I now know why I haven’t unsubscribed from this group.

It’s all a little over my head though. Are any of you expert in this area or know anyone who is?

On 24/03/2009 13:56, "Peter Cunningham" <[address removed]> wrote:

You could look at OpenWengo, Asterisk, Gnomemeeting if you are an Open Source fan

— On Tue, 24/3/09, Chris Powell <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Chris Powell <[address removed]>

Subject: Re: [entrepreneur-1056] Voice over internet

To: [address removed]

Date: Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 9:35 AM

No expert but I do know there are plenty of VoIP APIs out there you can use:

Jaduka for example plus Skype has its own API. For PBX type stuff Asterix has an

API.

You should be aware that Skype VoIP is non-standard

(http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/press_release.php?id=76) but has recently jumped

onto the open standard SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) for business VoIP,

presumably to connect to standard PBXs.

Regards

Chris Powell

mindyourstreet.com

Fabrice Ward wrote:

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>     Hi all,

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>     Does anyone know any developers who know about voice over internet

>     applications like Skype? What’s involved in developing them,

>     what’s available ‘off the shelf’ etc?

>

>     Any leads much appreciated.

>

>     Regards,

>

>     Fabrice

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Voice over internet

Neil Mendoza — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:56:00 +0000

Hi,

Here's a new telephony web service API which looks pretty cool… http://www.twilio.com/

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Damjan Dvorsek <[address removed]> wrote:

Hi,

I would agree with Chris there are plenty of solutions available off the shelf.
Here are some open source solutions
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Open+Source+VOIP+Software.
It all depends on what you want.

Cheers,
Damjan

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Chris Powell <[address removed]> wrote:
> No expert but I do know there are plenty of VoIP APIs out there you can use:
> Jaduka for example plus Skype has its own API. For PBX type stuff Asterix
> has an API.
>
> You should be aware that Skype VoIP is non-standard
> (http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/press_release.php?id=76) but has recently
> jumped onto the open standard SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) for business
> VoIP, presumably to connect to standard PBXs.
>
>
> Regards
> Chris Powell
> mindyourstreet.com
>
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> Fabrice Ward wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know any developers who know about voice over internet
>> applications like Skype? What?s involved in developing them,
>> what?s available ?off the shelf? etc?
>>
>> Any leads much appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fabrice
>>
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