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Posted by Ronny Ager-Wick on March 20, 2009 under Miscellaneous | 
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Hear hear, Mike! The problem (in any of these occupations/businesses), is the big masses Mike Burgoine wrote: type="cite">
Wise words from an industry old-timer, not to be ignored.
2009/3/19 Bill Brown <[address removed]>:
> Yes, I have been dealing with recruiters for 4 years now, at first
> I was very subservient and polite until now I hang up as soon as
> I detect those lying tones. I was HORRIFIED to meet one on meetup.
> But, they are on their way......
> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarr
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> 2009/3/19 Paul McGrath <[address removed]>
>>
>> Wholeheartedly agree.
>> Having been a contractor since 1996 - I've shared all of the experiences
>> described by Phil here. Spotting job duplicates on jobserve et al or
>> fictitious jobs aimed at CV fishing comes with the territory.
>> Good recruiters realise that contractors are not fungible commodities.
>> Good recruiters also realise that they have to actively manage/satisfy
>> both contractors and clients.
>> Unfortunately as Phil attests - good recruiters are difficult to find.
>> Its primarily why and many of my contractor colleagues no longer use job
>> advertisement sites.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, phil jones <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd say that in current circumstances, we don't want to be hostile to
>>> anyone who knows about good jobs
>>>
>>> But I think there's a great opportunity for a recruiter who raises
>>> their game above the others. Way too many of them work on a "throw
>>> enough mud against the wall" principle. Too many recruiters I've seem
>>> post jobs to get you to register your CV and then you never hear
>>> anything about the job you applied for but start getting spammed with
>>> a lot of badly matching adverts that read like they've been scraped
>>> off someone else's site.
>>>
>>> Or spammed with other "keep in contact" fluff. I swear that one agency
>>> spammed me last week with something about "how to write a great cover
>>> letter" that was tied in with a story-telling festival or something.
>>> Clever ... but in a trite way. Making me think that these people had
>>> no real information to give me.
>>>
>>> Here's what I'd like from a better recruiter.
>>>
>>> 1) Tracking of my CV application. When I send a CV to you for a job,
>>> I'd like to see what stage it's reached in the process. Did you read
>>> my CV yet? Did you reject is as not a good fit? Did you reject it
>>> because you didn't think it's good enough? Did you pass it on to the
>>> employer and get a rejection back? Or nothing?
>>>
>>> I won't be offended or have my feeling hurt; give me real feedback
>>> about my application. Tell me why I failed. THEN you can start giving
>>> me advice on doing a better one, or applying for better fitting jobs.
>>>
>>> 2) Tracking the Job. It's inexcusable to keep advertising a job that's
>>> already gone. Or that you've scraped off another site. I want an
>>> agency that only shows jobs that that it's been hired to recruit for
>>> and has good knowledge of. And I want the agency to tell me, as an
>>> applicant, what's going on with that position. How many other people
>>> applied? If I get rejected, how many other people are left in the
>>> running? (Am I in the top 3 or was I filtered out when 50 others were
>>> put forward?) And I want an email the moment you know that the job
>>> went to someone else, so I'm not still wondering about it and can be
>>> on to the next thing.
>>>
>>> 3) Give me as much real information about the company as possible.
>>> Treat me with respect, not paranoia. If you help me find a job with a
>>> great company, I'm not going to go directly to them and screw you out
>>> of your middle-man fee. Don't hide all the real information as though
>>> I might.
>>>
>>> 4) Loads of other ways you can add value. When you post the salary
>>> that's offered, show me statistics of other, similar positions you
>>> know about. Is this a good salary for this kind of job? Other sites
>>> track the average salary for different positions, why can't you?
>>>
>>> 5) Better filtering. I'm not a .NET guy. There's nothing about .NET on
>>> my CV. Sure, as a C, C++, Java, LAMP-stack guy I *could* learn .NET
>>> pretty easily if I needed to. But I didn't mention it. So why are you
>>> sending me dozens of .NET jobs as "good matches"?
>>>
>>> 6) Why not find out more about me? You got a CV. Perhaps you could
>>> have more online questionnaires. Take a leaf out of the social
>>> networks like Facebook who are always asking me to classify myself in
>>> different ways. Sure, I'm not going to tell you about "Things I do
>>> when the boss isn't looking" but there are some mutually beneficial
>>> questions you can ask, to help me know more about myself and you (and
>>> potential employers) to know more about me.
>>>
>>> Recruiting has a bad rep. with a lot of people, because it's just not
>>> done all that well. Like I say, that's a great opportunity for someone
>>> to do it much better.
>>>
>>> phil
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